I bought one new in 1985 for $895. The case was extra. My first SxS. I loved that gun. Fit me to a T, killed everything I pointed it at, and never gave me any trouble. The end came with the steel shot mandate about 5 years later. I didn't think I should shoot steel through it (fixed chokes, M/F), and it was a little heavy (8 lbs) for chasing quail and pheasants. The only flaw I ever found was that the triggerguard was made from a casting and cracked when I was amateurishly trying to remove it from the gun. NewLine Guns out of Missouri bought the parts and the rights after the Winchester-Kodensha deal fell thru, and they sent me a new one. I could not recommend a better shooter, if you don't mind the weight and aren't hung up on hand cut engraving and color case hardened receivers. Looks now like nice 23 12's are going for just north of $2K and 20's for $500 more. You won't lose money on one.