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Looking at this NID, doesn't look right. Have heard of flame or torch coloring, is this what I am seeing here? Shouldn't the toplever be blued?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120497290

Welcome,
If you go a few pages back you will see this gun and a few not so nice descriptions of what was done to it by this man.

Here you go
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...e=10#Post128436

Hi It is a TORCH job,do not buy a double from ed1.

Don't buy anything from the TORCH....ED1.....lest 'ye be found lacking !!!

You will see by his rude responses and outlandish non-founded data that this is not a person to be trusted...!!!

It's a tasteful restoration not bad at all.

heating any shotgun receiver without controlling the temperature and heat duration is very dangerous and can damage guns and potentially harm shooters. in additional, if the receiver is heated to very high temperature, such as that required for the bone charcoal process to be effective, then the structure of the metal has been changed and should be tempered back to provide some elasticity. otherwise, the receiver is as brittle as glass and may crack or shatter upon firing of the gun. in my opinion, a low, controlled heat process, combined with specific chemicals is the safest way to recolor a shotgun receiver. so long as the heat is kept low and controlled the metallurgy is not changed and no harm is done to the gun nor is there any potential for danger to the shooter, due to incorrect heat treating, which is the inherent flaw in the use of the high heat bone charcoal process when applied to shotgun receivers.

i myself do not do any gun work of any kind. i have neither the skill nor the patience. instead, i utilize the services of ed lander, for most of my repair and enhancement needs. old ed has over 60 years of experience in the gunsmithing trade and does fine work at a fair price. he has recolored literally hundreds if not thousands of shotguns receivers using his low controlled heat, chemical process. most of his work turns out better than what you have seen posted to this thread by what appear to be case color notzs. also, my criticism of those who case color shotgun receivers via the high heat bone charcoal method is well known, particularly by those who practice that black art as a business. as you have read, i have a few enemies, but fortunately have far more friends; many of whom are happy owners of fine guns that have been repaired or enhanced by old ed.

i do not know much more about old ed's case coloring process. he has developed his techniques over many years of trial and error. he even has different chemical formulas that simulate different factory colors for different guns, depending on when they were made. i believe he may use a potters kiln to precisely control heat. what i do know, is that his top priorities in all of his work are shooter safety and customer satisfaction.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah ............. We have heard this tired old argument before Mr. Ed1. Don't you understand that no one here believes you much less respects your opinion ? I for one have 50 years of experience engraving --- am a former Colt custom shop master engr. I have had more experience dealing with firearms that have been re-color cased than I believe you have. There is nothing unsafe or detrimental about re-casing done by a knowledable craftsman. You on the othere hand are trying to promote your abortions for profit, this continue to push this crap & old Ed Landers. Do you seriously believe anyone here doesn't see thru your protestations ? No reply will be taken seriously nor encouraged.

ken hurst: engravin aint heat treatin. colts aint shotguns...de metal is diferent an de temperin specs aint de same. problem is, most temperin specs fur dem old shotgon receivers is lost. so when de high heat bone charcoal man goes to retemper dem ol shotgon receivers, he is most likly guessin at de temperin spec. sum tim he guess hit right an sometime he dont...de utter way o course is to neva heat de receiver hot nough to ever need retemperin...dat is utter wise known as the low controlled heat, chemical process of shotgun receiver recoloring...also, you should know better than to publically berate the work of someone with over 60 years of experience in the gunsmithing trade as crap! you sir, have no class...ed1

. . . and the heat goes on. Educate yourself. Look at Drew's case color examples. Remember that 99.9% of color case hardening is (or should be) an abrasion-resistant hard case or shell on the steel of the bar or receiver. The ephemeral colors are a collector preoccupation--sign of the low-use time-capsule gun and not necessary to function or durability. If you can't stand bare naked steel, grey it out with a bit of cold blue, find a reputable recase specialist and pony up, or buy collector-level guns. Don't feed the Eds!

jack