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Ed had ruined the looks of more guns with his torch than anyone other than the inventor of the white line pachmayr recoil pad. A good white line recoil pad, on a double he has flamed, is a good or as bad as it gets.

Thanks for answering my question.

Eightbore/Rick- ....I'm having problems finding that memo again in Walt's IGC book..(but I remember reading it someplace before,too). Could it be in his Model 37 book?.....

Guys, this is really getting interesting. A bunch of fact, a bit of opinion,a touch of snobbery, and the possibility of a bit of highjinx.....now, to REALLY stir the pot: I just noticed on another post a new member with one post named Ed Good who signed a response Ed1. The plot thickens....
Rick

It's hardly snobbery. When a mope decides to paint cars with Rust-Oleum spray paint, well. At least Earl Scheib used a clean mop.

Some guy named Ed Good just made a post on my 325.00 Flues pic post......I think he wants to color my Prairie Chicken..

Foxhound & Last Dollar ---- Ed Good is most likely Ed1, both are from N.H. What do you want to bet that they aren't one in the same ? If not, my most sincere apologies to Ed Good for suggesting he might also be Ed1.

I think maybe the guy just realized he got off to a bad start here and might sincerely want to take part. He is certainly not the only Gunbroker dealer trying to sell crummy guns. Give him a chance; maybe he'll learn something or we might learn something from him. JMHO...Geo

It's the same Jackel....he uses Ed1 on GunBroker and Ed Good on Guns America...he explains it in the old threads......

Now he's signed up as Ed Good as well...so he's having fun with it...seeing who he can fool.....read the old posts on page five or six......it will answer your own questions....!!

"TIGERS DON'T CHANGE THEIR STRIPES" !!!!

As pointed out by earlier posters, torch coloring these frames is akin to taking a nice collectable car with faded paint, spraying a couple of cans of Krylon on it and claiming you did the car and the collecting community a favor.

This “Low heat, Chemical Process”, in my opinion is nothing more than the old torch and tincture of benzene process that’s been around for decades; primarily as an amateurish attempt to fake true CCH.

What irritates me is when you imply that true CCH done by a professional who understands the process, is somehow more detrimental to the frame than this amateurish attempt to fake it.

The steel used in these old firearms is a low carbon “Case Hardenable “steel, equivalent to today’s SAE 1018 – 1020. The process of annealing, case hardening, and tempering this steel is much better understood today than it was 100 years ago.

I’ve got over a dozens of references in my shop, with all sorts of nifty charts, graphs and tables. To get this X depth of case on Y steel, Heat at X temperature for Y time and quench in Z. Reheating and or tempering at X temp for Y time will provide A/B Elastic Limit/Breaking strength etc.

Stating that we have somehow lost the ability and knowledge to properly case harden these old frames, would be like saying we no longer know how to make a wagon wheel.

The proper heat treatment is easy for those willing to do the research and understand what’s happening. The difficult part is getting the unique colors & patterns of the different manufacturers correct; that is where the “Black Magic” and or art come into play.

Mike Hunter