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Terry,
It's not set up for a rimless case, it uses the 30-40 Krag case hence a standard extractor.
Blair

Not necessarily but I'm not sure where to start. Niedner did work with Roberts on several projects.

First of all the Malden Niedner stamp was used from 1906-1919.

Niedner used a lot of Winchester and Savage barrels when he was building the .25 Krags.

Niedner was not in the habit of marking the caliber on the barrel. Marking the caliber on the barrel started at the Niedner Rifle Corporation a couple years before they closed.

There are many sources to check and as I have time I will.

I have Ned Roberts firearm inventory with serial numbers and even some pictures on a few of his rifles.

I have Niedner's shop books from Malden.

I have several articles Roberts wrote about .25 calibers published before WWI.


I do not believe that I have ever seen a reference to a .250 Roberts.

Can anyone can tell me what Ned Roberts wanted to name the .257 Roberts?

MP,

Are you referring to ".25-Caliber Roberts" per Ned's article in the March '28 RIFLEMAN ?

Good shooting.

Roberts wrote in an article or in one of the letters to a friend that his friend Fred Sage had as much to do with the development of the cartridge but at Whelen's suggestion they name it after Roberts.

Fred Sage was the one who got Niedner and William Stolley, the owner of NRC to not only introduce the cartridge but pay for a good part of the tooling. Today Fred Sage is a little known footnote to history.

Michael, I am suprised that someone hasn't noticed or commented on the rifle in A.O.Niedners grasp. Is that the Hamburg rifle (as in hamburger meat) The Niedner-Mann rifles are a very interesting piece of history. Any additional comments specific to these rifles would be great fun. gary

You got it Gary, it's a Mann-Niedner Model 1912 rifle that was nicknamed "The Hamburg Rifle". When I get some time tomorrow I'll post a bit of the history behind theses and a picture or two.

Sorry I’m late with this, been busy as heck the last few days, many custom rifles changing hands.

The first type had two locking lugs, they made a wooden model and two rifles were made with the double lugs. This is the first one, the “Hamburg” one. From the collection of an anonymous collector.

The second type had several locking lugs, two rifles were made on this action as well as the unfinished one pictured.

Very nice indeed- What about the so-called Hamburg cartridge? Which case length was so named, and was it the one named with the rifle? Between Donaldson's writing and Simmons' "Wildcats" the seems to be some confusion.

Good shooting.