Dave, I have to agree one hundred percent with Jimmy.
They are as a whole one of if not the most undisciplined breeds my wife and I have ever dealt with.
I don't know what happened to the western Irish setter, too much show dog genes and not enough hunting dog genes through its breeding heritage. I've been told that the eastern Irish setter, Geno knows a whole lot more about the breed and breeding in Russia, is an excellant hunting dog with great instincts. But, be that as it may, many breeders have simply given up and started a whole new line called the Red Setter if I'm not mistaken.
