If you mean the Valier, I have handled and shot a few. I dont think I would buy one unless it was REALLY low priced. The fit and finish, for a 4000+ gun was IMHO pretty primitive. They seemd too heavy for the class. I was intrigued by the 16, but not enough to buy one. Kimber has disassociated them selves with it. Same gun is seen now and then as the "Hatfield". Paul Crosnoe had a couple.