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Michael: I looked and read everything over again and suddenly it hit me...I believe we are looking at the very talented work of Mr. Barney Worthen of San Francisco Ca. I know... Thanks for playing and we have a lovely parting gift!!! Jerry


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Originally Posted By: Alvin Linden #1
Michael: I looked and read everything over again and suddenly it hit me...I believe we are looking at the very talented work of Mr. Barney Worthen of San Francisco Ca. I know... Thanks for playing and we have a lovely parting gift!!! Jerry


Six rifles and not a single take down. I don't think it is Worthen. I have seen that picture of the shop before, but can't recall where. Also, Michael left a clue a few pages back that rules out Worthen.

Thanks Michael, this is a very enjoyable and informative thread.

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No way you guys are going to stop guessing is there? I'm surprised no one has guessed Roy Weatherby. There is no way you can wait one, much less two weeks for the answer. Here is a little riddle, as far as riddles go that will answer your questions.

For all practical purposes Mr. Lion had two separate and distinctive careers. I’m trying to separate them and now focusing on his early work. He was a Lion early on then became an Eagle were he soared to new highs. I’ve written a lot about Mr. Eagle so now it’s time for Mr. Lion. Gee this might work on Sesame Street, Mr Lion and Mr. Eagle go to the gunshop.



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Well, a lion/ eagle cross is a griffon,so is it a Seymour Griffin?

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Originally Posted By: RHD45
Well, a lion/ eagle cross is a griffon,so is it a Seymour Griffin?

Actually I think it's a Griffin, but yes for thirteen years Seymour Griffin made rifles before forming the company of Griffin & Howe.


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Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob
I feel like it's the first day of school....again.


OK class write a report on this rifle.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9028106


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I'm serious, tell me all you can about the rifle for sale. I have given a verbal as well as a written report on this rifle to the owner. Unfortunately many buyers ask an opinion of a rifle AFTER they buy it and not before. The one thing I hate to do is give bad news to a new owner. What would be involved in restoring this rifle to the way it was originally.


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Originally Posted By: Michael Petrov
OK class write a report on this rifle.


Very early Griffin & Howe. In fact, a 1923 from the year G&H was founded.........Howe leaving that same year.

Originally fitted with Lyman 48 receiver sight and G&H side mount. Both which are missing now and base recesses of each in stock refitted with wood pieces. Receiver drilled & tapped for more recent rings and bases, and bolt forged for low scope. Unsure if the bolt is G&H work.

Wrist checkering with top parting line and extends into the rear tang area of the floorplate. Checkering has secondary smaller points that disappeared in later G&H patterns when they became more "standardized". Can't see the entire forearm pattern, but suspect by looking at the angles it might be of two panels with a small uncheckered line separating them underneath.

Stock is thicker through action area than later G&H, and wood is "rounded" to metal (which method Linden described in his pamphlets as "shoeshine" sanding). Later G&H stocks were treated with "flats" on the upper and lower surfaces where metal was inletted.......typical of virtually all custom stocks now.

Early schnabble forend treatment that was more popular in that era than subsequently.........when standard G&H was a black tip of different wood or material.

Can't see if it has a cheekpiece, but likely not.

Appears to have more drop in the butt than later efforts. Early compromises still favored open sights......even if scopes were mounted higher than currently.

That's the limit of my observation/knowledge. <grin>

EDIT: In light of Michael's last post. I think it might be an important acquisition......if only for the date it was made. The D&T stuff to the top of the action is unfortunate, and the bolt work is questionable. The other stuff like the side mount and Lyman sight could be redone......at some big costs I suspect. It would certainly have more value if original.

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At first glance a very nice G&H rifle. Up close it has been polished and reblued with rounding of corners. The bolt handle has been rather badly altered and the saftey replaced to have a top mount scope replace the former side mount. Big, ugly holes in the receiver ring. Wood has been used to fill in where the stock was relieved for the Lyman 48 and the side mount with fairly good match of wood but gaps in the inletting. Love the engraving but it has been partially polished out on the barrel. Really like the butt plate.

In short it is/was a very nice rifle that has had a rather unfortunate history later in its life.

Now off to do a bone marrow biopsy.

Jerry Liles

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Here are a couple more pictures, one for Steve ;-),





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