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What a hatchet job on an otherwise very nice rifle!
It had at one time a G&H(or some type) side scope mount.
Now a compass inlaid in the stock and Williams sights!
What the hell were they thinking with the treatment of the screw holes where the Lyman receiver sight was removed?
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The crude inletting under the bolt handle says to me that it was added later.
Can a rifle in this condition be restored?
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IMHO Unless this gun is a great deal price wise and I am betting it isn't, the work and the cost required to bring it back to original condition/caliber would be more than it would cost to buy a similar gun in original condition. I have been collecting pre-war custom gunmakers for years and the one thing I have learned is buy excellent ORIGINAL condition, it is much cheaper than a fixer upper! Everyone I ever had became the "Black Hole of Calcutta" Jerry F. Lee
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No one has said anything that I don't agree with, what a wreck. Unless you are a very skilled wood worker I can't see this working out for anyone. These wrecks, unfortunately are many times bought by a person new to the custom rifle field. Once they learn what they have bought it will pretty much sour them on custom rifles. The caliber, 358 Norma Magnum would also make it impossible to return to what may have been a 35 Whelen. The Barrel, Action and bolt would have to be replaced. It could be saved but I don't have the skill, time or money. What a shame, it was something special many years ago. http://www.usgwarchives.net/fl/manatee/photos/tombstones/manasotamemorial/griffin4650gph.jpg
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It would fit right in with my chrome Fox A grade. This post has been great. The rifle that you started with must have been early work, no name in banner on the floorplate.
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I like the drilling for the 48? and the compass?. Maybe I can afford the gun. However, I question that the G&H side mount drilling is an original feature of the gun. This early in G&H production, I would guess that the G&H side mount drilling would be a later modification. I also would question why the seller wouldn't picture the G&H stamping on the barrel. What is the G&H number?
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Rifle No, 1, 2, 3 & 6 do not have a name on them, I'm not sure about the rest. It's not clear in the pictures but the rifle for sale has the little G&H banner on the forward part of the floorplate. When to restore and when not too might be a good subject for a another post. I'm not one to case stones in this area I've taken on some fairly complicated restorations and I'm sure others think I'm nuts to do so. I've not started with only a buttplate but I have with only the stock. 
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I like the drilling for the 48? and the compass?. Maybe I can afford the gun. However, I question that the G&H side mount drilling is an original feature of the gun. This early in G&H production, I would guess that the G&H side mount drilling would be a later modification. I also would question why the seller wouldn't picture the G&H stamping on the barrel. What is the G&H number? The very early G&H rifles did not have a barrel name or number on the barrel. They only had their name in a little banner on the floorplate. They were mounting sidemout scopes on these early rifles, they were made by Noske.
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Not a very good picture but the early G&H's were marked like the late S.R. Griffins. 
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While it may not be financially rewarding to restore such a rifle, I think there is something to be said for doing so. There is only a limited number of these rifles available. This seems to me to be a rifle from a very important time in the history of G&H. The way I see it, one of two things could happen. Either this rifle could end up in another bubbas hands, and when he got done with it it may not even be recognizable as a G&H, or it could end up with someone who understood and appreciated it for what it is and did everything possible to bring it back to it's rightful place. As a younger more recent student of these rifles than many on this forum, I want to see as many of them as possible preserved. More and more people are discovering these rifles, and as they do, they are going to get harder and harder to find. Rifles such as this still allow more people to appreciate the skill and artistry of the original maker. There are just not enough pristine examples to go around. I think we owe it to the original maker to preserve his work as best we can.
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