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MickeyD,
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Jani

Jani,
You are correct!! It is the short 450. I like that even better.
I am very recoil sensitive. What might the appropriate load be??
Bob Jurewicz

Bob:

The falling fir tree with escutcheon/shield with crossed flails atop is the Weipert mark which notes that the joined tubes experienced the 2nd Austro-Hungarian black powder proof. The Weipert proofhouse either honored the German first proof being 3 times the service powder charge and doubled load or opted to began with the joined state but I would suspect one would see an intertwined "EW" on each tube for the preliminary proof if the tubes were sourced in the Empire. It's just my guess, but I think the arrow next to the proofhouse record number to note some type of import mark. Then the Hapsburg double headed eagle/final proofmark notes the joined tubes experiencing a 3rd firing or viewing. I think it to date between 1891(June 23rd) and September 13, 1899 when the semi-smokeless/nitro mark was added by decree. Examples seem to lean toward this same time being when a date code in the data string was added, but this assumption is pure conjecture on my part.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Bob,
Bullets (lead) were usualy on the light side, 19-22 grams, with flat point or hollow point. Bullet diameter from 11.65mm to 11.85mm. Traditional load was caseful of black powder.
It seems to me that the ancient 11.6x60R/.450 Express (Short) could be roughly compared to modern .44 Mag as far as hunting performance is concerned.
With kind regards,
Jani

Thank you everyone and especially Raimey,Jani and Pete!!!
Bob Jurewicz

From a 1873 publication/catalogue of the 1873 Universal Expo in Wien, I've found a little more info on Johann Haberda:

Johann Haberda – Büchsenmacher, Frauenberg, Böhmen – Jadggewehre

Das Etablissement, 1814 gegründet, setzt seine Erzeugnisse in Böhem, Nieder-Oesterreich, Steiermark, Ungarn und Frankreich ab.

Which I think says that the company Johann Haberda was founded in 1814 and was a supplier to the following countries/areas/regions: Bohemia, Lower Austria, Styria, Hungary & France.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Thank you again Raimey. Since my early posts I have learned and enjoyed this gun. It is a 450 3 1/4" BPE. I'm shooting 48gr of 4198 with a 300gr cast bullet and 13 or 14 gr of dacron at 1900ft/s. Very good regulation at 50 yds and 8" high. On my way to Texas next week to see how it handles pigs.
Bob Jurewicz