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Sorry about the change of subject Binko but since you have some experience with them, Can you give a 1100 stock some cast off by grinding on the wood that mates with the right side of the reciever? I have one that I want to make a duck gun and am used to guns with cast.

I apologize for the digression.

Sorry about your Browning problem, and it seems you got a LEMON.

I own four Citori's and have zero problems with three of them. The other broke one spring after 21 years, and Browning repaired it free.

Citoris (IMHO)are usually very good shotguns. Why not let them replace yours with a new one, and try it out. You have little to lose...

JERRY

You like to bet on the long odds horses? And root for the underdog?.. Browning, Schmowning- Clitori shotguns made in the Land of the Rising Sun-But a Belgiam A-5 breaking down and replaced by a Remington 1100 or an 870.?? If you have the friction ring set properly, and don't over oil the magazine tube, a A-5 auto will keep on shooting long after the Remington 1100 has jammed up with burnt powder in the gas system. Just that the A-5 with its squared off receiver is some kinda ugly- not sleek and graceful like a Model 12.

RWTF,

What you say is your opinion, but not my observation. What I witnessed, is just the opposite and not just once or twice, every time someone came out to the range with an A5 it developed problems whether new or used. If what you say is correct, why was everyone there shooting 1100's even the best shooters at the range? Surely, some would have stayed with an A5 if it was so good, but none EVER did...EVER, and you can believe that or not. Anyone can prove this by checking the records for names and type of gun used in the 70's at the Grand Masters, Skeet Championships and see how many shot A5's, prove me wrong.

binko

Why do some people rate a guns reliability on how it performs on a clays course?? Why not rate a guns reliability against what it was designed to do? The A-5 was never made as a clays gun, it was made to be a rugged hunting tool. I think its safe to say the Mr. J.M. Browning knew exactly how to make a reliable weapon...and according to him...the A-5 was his hallmark gun, his proudest accomplishment. I will say that most people out there who have owned A-5's or even Remington Model 11's do not know how to properly care for them....un-wisely thinking that the gun should be douched with oil..the magazine tube douched with oil.....set the friction rings up wrong...you name it...they do everything Mr. Browning told them NOT to do if you want the gun to function properly. I've used my A-5's in marshes in central Nebraska, I've had them caked with mud after accidently dropping it in the marsh (had to use a cattail to clear the barrel) and guess what...it functioned everytime I pulled the trigger...I've hunted the Platte river for 10 years using a A-5....anyone who's hunted the Platte knows how much sand accumulates in your gun during a hunt....I dont even know how it all gets in there, but it does....and still the A-5 went boom everytime. While I'm a big fan of the 1100's....they are no A-5, not even close, not even in the same league. I believe there is a section in the JM Browning book that goes in depth on what he put the A-5's through before he pronounced the design functional and reliable in his eyes. If it passed his test....it passess anything anyone can put it through. Amazing gun the A-5.

Dustin

I don't think it was just a reliability issue with the A-5. It is still the same way. I still know people that hunt with them but you do not see them on the clay field. For my part as a kid my father owned a Rem 11. He thought that it was the greatest thing in the world. I could not hit anything with it but someone had a Win Model 12 that worked really great for me. Could have been the stock dimensions or balance. I do not know.

I did see a 16ga ducks unlimited A-5 that was pretty nicely done last week.

First off, sometimes when a new gun comes from the factory, they could have too much dried grease on the parts and it could need cleaning. Sometimes this happens from sitting too long. I have heard Citoris are bad for that. Mine misfires ocassionally but I open and reclose it and go on. Other than that, mine works fine. I bought it (practically) new last spring. Second, if they offered you a new gun you should have taken it. What more could you ask? Just my opinion.

The reason one observes few A-5's on the clay bird fields has nothing to do with reliability....

Gas-operated autos such as the 1100, 1187, SX-2, etc. have less perceived recoil. The A-5 "doube-shuffle" is less condusive to clay bird shooting. I've owned an A-5 for 20+ years, during which I've bought, used, and sold several gas-autos. But my 1951 A-5 just keeps on ticking....

As far as beauty goes, I think the A-5 is "handsome" and "unique," somewhat like an engish bulldog. Not beautiful, but pleasant to be around.

gold40

I don't have any complaints with the 11's,11-48's,11-58's,1100's,11-87's or the A-5's. I've owned them all and never had a major issue with any of them. Current project is a Jap 32" A-5 Mag with a straight rifled turkey choke that is murder on the trap and skeet field. That choke is tight enough to smoke 1/2 a target! I have had repeated comments from my buddie's commenting on how easy it is to shoot. Speaking of the A-5 as a target gun, I've had an A-5 skeet gun but did Browning ever offer the A-5 in trap configuration? It seems I recall one listed in a catalogue but I've never seen one.

1934. Probably a M11. Clark likely could have bought whatever his heart desired. Didn't Robert Stack start with a M11 skeet gun?