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Did anyone see this auction on Gunbroker? Am I wrong in thinking this guy is out of his box, etc.? And we wonder how people get these insane prices they ask for their guns??? Check it out, and let me know what I missed in this gun. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125632752binko
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I don't know, that doesn't seem too insane to me really. If you wanted one of these you'd go a long time looking. I think I've seen exactly maybe two in my whole double gunning life. That's a lot of money but they're awful rare.
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Not a bit surprised. A very rare gun for collectors of American shotguns. If I wasn't getting so old, I might have wanted it myself. I doubt the buyer will be asking for shooting information.
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MH, I guess I'm just full of it! I think there might be a reason there are so few of them around...people didn't buy them. They certainly weren't anything special in their day and must have been very inexpensive due to the lack of engraving, xxx wood, etc. I guess I don't see the value. I didn't know rare had anything to do with value of a gun? If so, I've got a very fine English double that I have NEVER seen another one like it, and can't find any info on it, even researching the archives for the maker in his home town...it must be worth a fortune???  binko
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Your right. Your full of it. You dont realize that scarcity has a price? Ever hear of gold etc.?
And to say that anything with Lefever's name on it wasnt anything special shows your complete lack of knowledge.
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With a bit of gentle cleaning, you would see that the wood in the stock is of outstanding quality. The engraving that is there is of very good quality, and free of the typical "flying turnips" that are typical of early American guns. The barrels are very good quality damascus barrels.
That was not an inexpensive gun in it's day. It is further some of the earliest work of one of the most well respected, American double gun makers of all time.
Rare, isn't always valuable.
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I've been trying to buy some gold bullion coins, and nobody has any, and gold went down $23.40 today...bad example! I know of Lefever, and they are good guns, and I will own one someday, but the only ones that I've seen that command a price in the range of $3K, are the higher grade ones. I've never seen a hammer Lefever bring that kind of money, especially one in that condition...if you have, please show examples other than the one I posted. Furthermore, I don't know that this is one of ole' Uncle Dan's guns or one of his relatives. This is kind of like a J. Woodward and a T. Woodward, a bunch of difference in price.
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According to Bob Elliot's book an article of co-Partnership was entered by Daniel M Lefever & John A Nichols in the city of Syracuse NY, March 10, 1876. Their partnership was apparently terminated by 1879. This was an important milestone in the development of the Lefever shotgun. I would say this buyer got a great bargain. This gun had a catalog price of $100.00 in its day, certainly not clunker price.
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If you were a educated collector of Lefevers you would know that there may be half a dozen or less of this type guns left in the entire world. If you are serious about collecting Lefevers then the price is not out of reason. In fact that gun looks to be in very nice shape and would have been welcomed in my gun room.
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Not a bit surprised. A very rare gun for collectors of American shotguns. If I wasn't getting so old, I might have wanted it myself. I doubt the buyer will be asking for shooting information. With a bit of gentle cleaning, you would see that the wood in the stock is of outstanding quality. The engraving that is there is of very good quality, and free of the typical "flying turnips" that are typical of early American guns. The barrels are very good quality damascus barrels.
That was not an inexpensive gun in it's day. It is further some of the earliest work of one of the most well respected, American double gun makers of all time. Rare, isn't always valuable. I agree with both Walt and Ted. A Lefever is always worth taking a close look at. Lefever guns are simply not as plentiful as other American makers. A Nichols & Lefever is rare unto itself. Yes, they are around but scarce. Add in the thumb release and the fact that JW Livingston's name is on the rib. You are not likely to find another one tomorrow. Only a few are known to exist. I had bid on that piece, but backed off because another member was also bidding. It is worth the final price? Well, if you check the bidding history, at least a couple of people thought so. Considering some of the asking prices I see on sites like Cabelas for a guild gun, this went cheap. http://lefeverforum.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=545Pete
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