doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Are these really W. & C. Scott Premiers....

I didn't know about Alb Brown moving to America. Elliott's believes that Brown engraved the Lefever One Thousand Dollar Grade guns.

Here are some other Scott Premiers to show what I mean about the guns in question. This Premier is from around 1902-1903. It's one of a pair:




This Premier is from about 1897:






Note the fences and the location of the shields.

And I like the birds. It's a very stylized, very Victorian look - at least to my eye.

OWD

OWD, the waterfowl on the EE Remington 1894s duplicate the style of the unusual , I call them tame, waterfowl on the Scott guns. Yes, I was thinking of Albert Brown and I "think" he came to the US, but would not bet my britches on it.

I may as well throw my two-bits worth in. I think OWD nailed it on the first post. These look like a later matched pair of guns that
originally had semi-pistol grip stocks and were re-stocked at some point with straight grips. The triggerguard tangs are short and of the wrong style.The checkering pattern doesn't look right,the wood does not appear to be of usual Scott quality. especially for Premier grade.The gold shields were probably moved to the bottom of the stock at that time just because it was easier re installation and checkering pattern. Too bad Sally the Seller didn't include a couple decent side pictures of the stocks and grips. JMHO

I thought, according to Greener, damascus production in England had stopped. So who was still making them?

Pete

Would Albert Brown have engraved the relief oak leaf patterns on the Scott Premier's and the 1894 Specials?

tim

Maybe it was Joe Brown? Wasn't Joe Brown a highly respected Engraver that did alot of work for Scott?

Dustin

Damascus production continued at a high pace up to WW I in Belgium. After the war, it really slacked off due to lack of skilled labor and cost. Also, there had been huge advancements in steel during the war. By the 1920's it became pretty much a matter of cleaning up laminated barrels stocks.

There are now additional posted pictures of these guns. Gun #2 was made circa 1900. The guns are engraved showing that they are "Premier" quality. They also carry the Scott Trade Mark. Screw heads are seen in the water table of the guns. This indicates that they were most likely built on the Perks patent action. The Perks action was also used on the early production of the "Monte Carlo B".

So, the question of whether these guns are premiers is settled. Now, the qustion is what they are worth. The last bid,and only bid was $10,000. What do you think?

From what I can see, one of the guns is a Premier. I don't see anything that proves they are both Premiers. Why isn't Premier stamped on both actions? Perhaps it is engraved on both sets of bbls. I only see it on one, though.

And those have to be restocks - stubby tiggerguards, poorly figured wood for Scott's Best-grade gun, misplaced shields. They look like English work, though.

They're interesting guns, for sure, and very nice.

OWD