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If anyone on here doesn't think we have to be ever vigilent just check what Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi(Dem CA) said that was caught and is being reported on the NRA web site. And BTW Don't expect Brian Willims to report on this latest outrage in the evening news:
Jim
http://nra.org/

I almost feel sorry for her, She definitely has some intellectual/mental/personality issues.

How well did the Canadian version of this scheme go? It was a bust. Cost many times the money it was expected to cost and never go done. Now our fearless leaders want to improve on that failed attempt by doing a version of their own. The Federal Government could not run the Mustang Ranch selling sex and booze to people who wanted it.

How does any sane person expect the Government to register guns from millions of gun owners, many of whom will refuse to cooperate? Every illegal gun in the country will not be registered, so what is the point? To keep better track of the good guys? Or to have a list of people to tax and liscense to make personal gun ownership too expensive for the common man. This will make the Second ammendment apply to only those who can afford it by paying for the right with new taxes and liscense fees. How about if free speech only applied to those who could afford it? You pay for privalages not rights. Think about it. It is a privalage to drive and the Government can take away your privalage to drive, it is a right free speech or gun wonership. They can not be allowed to denie you your rights.

Over stepping is the only way most elected officials lose reelection these days. Think House banking scandal, asault weapon ban and now total gun registration of guns and owners. More than ever we need term limits to break the professions, lifetime politicians, hold over your lives and rights.

It was worse than a bust: it was a total waste of money, no improvement to public safety, an embarrassment.

The Conservative minority government promised to abolish it but that possibility moves away with each day.

Rights and freedoms are determined by people, and in democracies the majority rules. We haven't the votes.

I could not take up arms against Canada where representative governments express the will of the people.

I am no terrorist. To take up arms to coerce a government to my will is absence of government, civil war, rule by gun, totalitarianism which we all deny.

I would not willingly allow my rights to be abolished while I had the means to resist. I would consider any attempt to abolish my rights as a deal breaker as far as my peaceful and willing cooperation with the government went.

Look at the number of "views" for this thread compared to the posts.Lots of heads in the sand here and maybe some "buyers remorse" but unfortunatly many,perhaps most will go like lambs to the slaughter.
Register ("they only want those evil black rifles")
License fees,finger printing ("hey they are not comming for my doubles"and I can afford it).

"The guys with the guns make the rules"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSEnHJmurlE&feature=related

If you have no government there is Anarchy

If you are afraid of the government there is Tyranny.

It's getting more and more scary every day.

The question to ask the gun control crowd is “what are they afraid of” ??

Lets take some conservative numbers here and look at their argument. Mind you, I am not mathematician or statistical wizrd, hell I gtot a D in college in the one statiustics class I took.
The following are all in simple terms but compared apples to apples. Wait till I am done to tell me how flawed that is.

There are more than 100 Million legally owned firearms in the US.
Lets take the number of all firearms deaths ( murders, criminal acts resulting in death) in 2005 I found 10,000 or so. That’s a rate of .0001% of all legally owned firearms used in murders if we used the number of legal guns as a baseline.
Now, we all know that almost all crime is committed with illegal guns so the actual per cent age is even smaller. For all you guys that rode the short bus, that’s one ten thousandth of a per cent.

Now lets apply that same comparative logic to alcohol and automobiles. Hmmm????
According to Wikianswers, there are about 125 Million cars on the road in the US.
In 2008 37,000 people died in car accidents. That equates to a rate of .000296% death rate for all legally owned automobiles in the US. While that seems to be a small percentage, it is 3 times the rate for firearms. Why no measure to restrict car ownership. How about applying the same criteria to purchase a car as we do to purchasing a gun?

85000 alcohol related deaths per year in the US. Take away the approx. 16,000 that are in the auto fatality rate and you have 69,000 per year. People 20 and under make up 28% of the population. The population is about 307 Million. So that means there are about 86 million under 21. this also means there are 221 Million over 21 and all of legal drinking age. About .0003% of all adults involved in deaths by alcohol.

Yes, I know that this is an overly simplistic approach , it doesn’t take a number of factors into account. But it is comparative in that the same basic methodology is used and the results speak for themselves.

My whole point to this goes back to the initial question of “what are they afraid of” ??

If their goal was to reduce deaths, do something about alcohol and cars. Lets not even start on tobacco. Guns pall in comparison to other things as far as terminal results go.

Maybe I am not the sharpest guy and I don’t know statistics and math all that well. But looking at death rates tells me that there are other things out there they should be worrying about more so than guns. That is if their intent is to protect us. But it is more of an excuse to exert control and restrict a large per centage of the population that feels it can take care of itself and doesn’t need the government teat to nurse off of; cradle to grave. The government doesn’t particularly care for those that think for themselves; self determination, independent thought, and all that.

Also makes you wonder why these same people want to protect the rights of foreign combatants and give them the same protection of the US Constitution that we have and they aren’t citizens. HHHmmmm?

All of you brainiacs out there will tear me part on this but it doesn’t take the local Mensa chapter president to figure out that the anti’s agenda isn’t protecting us. Its about protecting them.

So, go ahead boys, flame on.

PS: I have an idea about the prisoners at Gitmo that are being treated so poorly by the US; since the libs feel they are just maybe criminals and not terrorists, maybe each one of the libs, starting with Feinstein and Pelosi can have one released into their custody and kept on home confinement in their households with their families, electronic monitoring and all that. And the residents of San Francisco can all keep one in their homes too since they are such a low threat. Why not. How many do you think would line up to take one home???

I know, this is now becoming a Misfires topic. But , yo know what, its our guns we are talking about.

Don't want to be the devils advocate, but gun registration is not a bad thing.
Where I live gun ownership restrictions are beyond imagination for someone from the US. But within all the absurd regulations that we have, gun registration works well.
It's a quick and inexpensive procedure, done the same way as you would do for a car.
Stolen guns are more easily tracked, ditto for guns on consignment etc..
And gun registration is handy when travelling with guns, I was once stopped by the police in a foreign country, and was cleared in a couple of minutes with my police issued gun registration, not so for the Americans travelling with me which had no proof of ownership at all....It all ended well, but not without stress and after hours of calls and faxes.

HM

Anyone who could access Pelosi's rant by clicking on the provided link is a better man than I. No wonder NRA can't get their message out. The clutter on the website is like the clutter in the mailings. Can anyone provide a link that well allow me to listen to the rant?