Ordered mine PIF on 11/29/05. I called yesterday and they told me January-February. In July they told me October. In October they told me year-end. They said they are now working on guns that were ordered in early November 05. If 23pair ordered in September and is just now receiving his gun,I'm not optimistic about getting mine before Easter. I've been one of the patient ones throughout this process, but I'm getting steamed now. This is ridiculous.