Stallones, the problem was, I am told, that by the time percussion guns were at the fore Manton had gone bust too many times, was in poor health and was selling stuff with his name just to try to settle debts etc, I think guns were going out from other sources as well. Certainly the later Manton stuff is nothing like the earlier stuff with reference to quality, I am sure there a couple of chaps on here who can tell you. Are there any date stamps on the flats ? best, Mike Bailey