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Does anyone own or know the person who owns the "Sauer-made Charles Daly" on page 66 of the current issue, July/August 2009, of the "Shooting Sportsman"? Or a little info on it would be nice.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

I saw the same gun in the same article and had the same question :-). I'd like to hear how the gun is marked also.

Ken

I stop in there in Bellmeade/Nashville from time to time as we talk about Mr. Highsmith, Mr. Buck and DerryDale texts. I haven't been there in several months but I don't see the Daly listed at http://www.gamefairltd.com/europe.html . It may be John's or I thought someone might have it on consignment. I also wonder if John is related to Terry Allen??? I may have to make a special trip to see the Daly and ask John if he is related to Terry.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I found this one too; GunsInternational # 100061927

Never say never,

C.

Sticking my neck out after just getting the magazine; the gun on page 66 certainly doesn't look like a Sauer. Maybe a non-Lindner, post WW1 Daly? Yes, the markings would be nice to see.

Best,

C.

I neglected to ask John if he was related to Terry, but I didn't inquire on the "Sauer Daly" today at the Alabama Gun Collector's event in Birmingham, Alabama. The pics for the magazine were taken in February and the gun sold soon after. Now don't tar and feather the messenger but here is the jist of what he told me: "It was an early 1920s version by Sauer without the Lindner marks." I responded that it wouldn't have Lindner's marks seeing he ceased circa 1916. "Yeah, it was made by Sauer because you know Sauer was making Lindner's guns and bought him out during WWI. It was the same as a Lindner because Sauer was making Lindners." I don't know where it went and from the info he yields, neither does he.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Just a cross reference to relate to this thread: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...e=0&fpart=8 with info on Featherweights by Ken:

"Sometimes it only takes one small piece of new information to enable a whole lot of old research to fall into place. That new piece of information came to me recently in the form of a photo of an original factory hang tag attached to a featherweight Prussian Charles Daly hammerless gun. As a bonus, the featherweight Daly in question was an especially beautiful and minty example of a Lindner-made Daly.

Featherweight Dalys have always been a source of frustration in my research of Prussian Charles Daly guns. While there have been almost a dozen featherweight guns recorded in the Prussian Daly database, the 1894 Schoverling, Daly, and Gales (SD&G) catalog is the last catalog that I’ve found that specifically lists a separate featherweight model. There is no mention of a featherweight model in the 1899 SD&G catalog, nor in any of the dozen or so later SD&G catalogs that I own. Yet I have personally handled many featherweight Dalys that were produced well beyond that 1894 catalog date, twenty years later in some instances. In addition to their obvious light weight - 5.5 to 6.25 lbs 12 gauge guns are typical – the featherweight Dalys are identified as “featherweight” guns right on the rib."


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I've been searching for the source of the forging of the Lindner Daly forend with the proverbial "bump" and the early Daly/Sauer hammer drillings have a very similar "bump" on the forend, which can be somewhat seen on the 1892 S,D & G catalogue ad. So it may be that Lindner sourced many of the forgings from Sauer. Anyone have an early Daly/Sauer hammerless drilling Model 25 a or b with a "bump". When I locate a camera I'll post a pic of the similar forends with the "bump".

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

"Messrs. Schoverling, Daly & Gales write to us as follows: "Charles Daly hammerless shot-guns are a high-grade hand-madce gun and are made in our Suhl factory were Daly guns exclusively have been made for the past thirty-five years(1871-1906) shows that they considered possibly George Lindner's shop as theirs before H. A. Lindner opened his shop). Sauer hammerless shotguns, Sauer Mauser rifles, Charles Daly three-barrel hammer and hammerless guns and combined shot and rifle are all made in the factory of Messrs. J. P. Sauer & Son, Suhl, Germany. The Daly three-barrel shotgun and rifle has always been made by them under contract for Charles Daly, and in later years has borne the names of both concerns."

From "Recreation"(1906) : http://books.google.com/books?id=S_QXAAA...;q=&f=false .

I know that I've posted this before and maybe in this thread but if correct as stated, it really gives insight as to the Daly-Lindner-Sauer connection. Some may already know/realize this but I find it insightful.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, the above is interesting. I am wondering if they really offered hammerless guns in 1871 and later a bit. They also leave out the hammer doubles in that paragraph, which probably were George Lindner guns. Interesting to note, and my memory of the exact dates is not to be trusted, but a Daly ad from ca. 1885 vehimently denies Schilling making any of their guns, but in a later ad, ca. 1903 they tout Schilling as one of their makers.