Yup, KY Jon still has his skeet guns from the old days, just as I do. Stan understands the "insert the gun ahead of the quail" system. Chuck should understand what the "insert the gun" is about if he gives it some thought. Chuck, you don't decide where to insert the muzzle until you see the bird in the air. When you see the bird, you insert the muzzle slightly ahead of the bird as you complete the mount, pull the trigger when everything looks right. That is usually about a fifth of a second after you have completed the mount. There is no swing to speak of, light gun or heavy.