I am about the same way, rabbit. A 21 or 22 at skeet and I feel I am doing pretty good for the day. But, KY Jon, a 9 or 10 pound gun for clays? I don't see many clays shooters shooting 9 or 10 pound guns for clays. A guy I know just bought a 10 gauge Zabala SXS and he says it weighs just under 12 pounds. So a 9 or 10 pound gun would have to be pretty heavy. The better skeet shots at my club shoot .410s, 28s or 20 gauges most of the time. I don't think my Ljutic trap gun would weigh 9 pounds. But then again, as I said before, most of the guys in this area dislike the splinter forends about as much as I do. Splinters might be alright for the bird hunting crowd, but for clays, most people I know would never buy a gun with a splinter forend for clays. And when I go to the bigger shows in this part of the country, like Louisville where they have about 4,000 tables, the guns with the splinter forends pretty much get passed over if the same model comes with a BTFE. But, to each his own I guess.