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Half a century ago, when I was in high school, one of my English teachers was also editor of Gun Report and wrote a column for every issue. I never heard anyone in town who thought he was acting incorrectly, but his wife was a vegetarian and people thought she was weird. In the late 60's, after the Navy, I attended SUNY College of Forestry in Syracuse. That's a small & specialized school, with limited space, but plenty of interest in our end of the subject. Syracuse University (across the alley) had a smallbore rifle range & maybe a skeet range. In 1985-88, I had an opportunity to go back to academia, pursuing an advanced degree at Univ of CA at Davis. The UCD main library had an interesting collection of books on firearms. I often read them when my graduate work in paleomagnetics got to be a bit much. In 1998, I had a chance to go back to UCD for a week of refresher training. I went back to the UCD library, thinking I would spend evenings reading George Chinn's volumes on machine guns. All the gun books had been removed from the library and were no longer listed in the library's extensive on-line catalog.
Last year, my son took a basic machine shop course at our local junior college. The first day of classes, the instructor ran over procedures, safety rules, etc. One of the rules was that you could not even ask questions about gunmaking techniques. There would be no discussion of guns at all. College policy. The same JC has a police academy with all sorts of banging away at their pistol range. Maybe things are different in Iowa or Alaska, but here on the left coast, I don't think serious studies of things associated with firearms by the proletariat will be tolerated by the academic higher-ups.
All this flap started over some discussion about Michael P leaving his papers to some institution. The thread got a bit off track. No matter where MP's papers go, unless there is an endowment to support curatorship, there is a big chance they will head for the dust bin.
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waterman, You are full of BS too.
In 17.6 seconds, I called up 77 titles in the UC-Davis library that are on the shelves with "Rifle" in the title. The simpliest fastest search I could find
Here a couple of the top of the list "The complete manual for young sportsmen..." Shields Library SK33 .H4
"American rifle : a biography / Alexander Rose" Shields Library TS536.4 .R67 2008
Are you going try again?
_________ BrentD, (Professor - just for Stan) =>/
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Brent isn't going to admit anything. He is stuck in an indefensible position scratching for straws in a hay field. Stating that his personal click at a mid-western institution is indicative on national academic trends is hogwash. Dismissing the Berkley’s, Antioch’s, Madison’s, Eugene’s, NYC’s, and Ivy leagues leaves out a hugely influential academic realm, most of it.
Sorry Brent, you are simply argumentative and downright derailed.
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Hi Brent, is it ok if I call BS on you. Though I knew the outcome, I played the game anyway. A search of gun under Sheilds library at UC Davis turned up:
2001-2002 Report Comittee Hearing, California Legislative Assembly The Armed Criminal in America ATF, The Youth Crime Gun Interdiction
Three of the first five, the other two were in Japanese, and the antigun selections went on and on. I didn't bother looking for the volumes that waterman was hoping to browse through.
As a claimed academic, wouldn't you see that your few anecdotal examples are not fact nor do they prove willingness to tolerate gunmaking history.
You pounce a bit quickly on alternative points of view. Your experiences are valid, but your students also have points of view. I'd hope you're honest with them at the start of a semester and inform them 'if I say black is white, then that's the way it better be answered on the tests'.
Not hateful, bad or mean spirited, just, Craig
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You guys have given me much to ponder, seems like my best bet is to publish what I know and not worry so much. Funny, I just got a email from a student at Trinidad asking about a classic rifle because they did not have a copy of my book at the school library. Guess I need to send them a copy.
MP Sadly Deceased as of 2/17/2014
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Michael, having worked in community/junior colleges most of my life, I know that the book will be put to good use. In that world, there is truly "No gift too small." You are gonna make some "kids" drool....
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I'm sorry this thread has gotten to name calling. I actually have some sympathy for Brent's position as most of the biology department at the local school hunt. The new wildlife refuge, Black Bayou, has a friends group that has its ramrods from the business school. They don't hunt but at least one does shoot. A concealed weapons course has been given on campus and I know of a professor in the Music dept that took the course. However this is the deep South. My experience in graduate school at an East Coast institution was polar opposite. Enough so that I would not trust my civil liberties to their tender mercies. Having said that I find there may be cause for hope. I've been reading some posts by a Dr Myers, a gun toting, card carrying liberal. Try this url. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htmStill wouldn't recommend Mr Petrov sending his archives to any east or west coast school. Jerry Liles
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It is just too bad that Those kind of peoble in the education system.Are Few And Far between. MIchael put my name on the list. For that book or books.Just Hurry. Smile. Whitey
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WJL,
I followed the url you posted. It showed me that I am just an over-the-hill paper puncher, completely out of touch with whatever passes for reality. I read the whole thing, but failed to make heads or tails out of all the acronyms & jargon.
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