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Jim,
Its an AYA. Who cares. Make the gun shoot for you. If it doesn't shoot sell it.
Phil
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I don't disagree with anything you said Larry (although once again the discussion has been brought round to English vs. American "Best" guns, not the guns I was discussing).
I believe more people than you would think get factory letters for American guns if they are available. I had a friend who came into a Fox DE with a bad stock. He got the letter and had another made to the exact dimensions it left the factory with. Pretty much $50 does it for most American guns. I guess the gray area lies in the middle grades. And wouldn't you be suspicious of a VH w/30" tubes choked .000/.007?
My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn
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Rob, I can certainly see getting a factory letter on a DE. Elsie Field Grade . . . I suppose some folks would go to the trouble, but probably not very many. At that "entry" level, there are a whole bunch of people simply looking for an American classic "shooter". If the gun were represented as--and appeared to be--both original and in unusually high original condition, then someone might well go the factory letter route.
And yes, I'd be suspicious that the chokes had been altered on a 30" VH if it were choked 000/007. However, if it were a 16ga on an O frame with shootable dimensions and maybe 28" barrels rather than 30", I'd take a real hard look if I were after a grouse and woodcock gun.
Last edited by L. Brown; 10/23/09 07:16 AM.
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And yes, I'd be suspicious that the chokes had been altered on a 30" VH if it were choked 000/007. However, if it were a 16ga on an O frame with shootable dimensions and maybe 28" barrels rather than 30", I'd take a real hard look if I were after a grouse and woodcock gun.
That's my point, you would suspect it was an altered gun and buy it for a using gun, not collectability, since you would suspect the chokes had been altered.
My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn
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Gentlemen:
Not every purchaser is interested in an "original condition" shotgun if the current condition meets his/her intended usage.
Some buy older SxS's to actually hunt with them.
Many of those classic American SxS's left the factory with 30" F&F choked barrels. And few had factory rubber recoil pads. Many of today's hunters would prefer to purchase that same SxS today, used, with either IC &M or M&F choked barrels, with a black Pachmayer recoil pad. 13-1/2" LOP doesn't fit most American males today; adding 1" of pad can improve shooting.
I've had chokes opened, and pads added, to four older SxS's; and wouldn't hesitate to again do so....
JERRY
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I never understood how any male could want a recoil pad.
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To lengthen LOP, has nothing to do with pain threshold, or testosterone levels for that matter.
My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn
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Excellent response, Rob! Next time I want a longer stock, however, just to keep Greg happy, I'll try layering testosterone patches on the butt.
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Ladies, you seem to miss my point.
"Many of today's hunters would prefer to purchase that same SxS today, used, with either IC &M or M&F choked barrels, with a black Pachmayer recoil pad."
This has nothing to do with LOP. It has to do with being too girly to handle recoil.
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Excellent response, Rob! Next time I want a longer stock, however, just to keep Greg happy, I'll try layering testosterone patches on the butt. I tried that, and after several boxes of shells, I thought it wasn't doing a lot to reduce recoil. Then I noticed the wood screws were backwards.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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