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I mean it. If specifically you want to get some important information from me you have to pay. It's not Russian sense of humor, it's American way of life. BTW, who told you I'm Russian? I live in Russia now, but my last name Charcot, it's French name.

Ted, Dustin, don't worry, it's not for you.

Fact 1 about French steel.
This is page from Desk Book For Hunters And Sportsmen, 1956
The part marked red says about high grade Darne 12G, 29 1/2" barrels, bbls weight 1230 grams (45 oz), 65 mm chambers. 7 1/2" from muzzle large torn hole 2" long. Committee of gun experts established, that ammo was OK (1,85 grams Sokol nitro powder, 32 grams of lead shot - aprx. 425 Kg per sq.cm crasher pressure), no foreign objects damage, but wall thickness in this place was 0.02" and this was the reason of such rupture.



to be continued.

The gun wouldn't pass French proof, then, or, now, in the condition you describe Geno. It would have failed the view exam at the proof house, IN ANY PROOF HOUSE, in Europe, to begin with. French proof would have torn it to pieces with .020 barrel wall thickness.
Why would you post that as evidence of anything, Geno? It would appear to be an owner altered, actually a very badly owner altered, gun.
For what it's worth, your illustration is terribly out of scale-there is a location lug that fits into the front of the watertable on a Darne, but, it has more distance from the lug at the rear than is shown.
Not sure what your point is. Unless, you are making my point for me, and showing how brutal the conditions are for sporting guns in the hands of Soviet era Russians.
Best,
Ted

Ted, there is a two beer limit on this BB. Please try to observe it before posting.

Hey Gang- enough with the pissin' contest already- a very good question, with answers all subjective to our own experience levels, has turned into a Rat-*&^%$#' derby- with NO WINNERS_ except maybe the antis and PETA numbnutz who also read this and other websites- We've got an anti-gun POTUS at 1600, a more feminsta set of bookends on the Supremes (Thank God Justice Tony Scalia is a duck hunter- he might not be a Goombah, but at least he knows a Binelli from a Browning- mention Browning to any of the the other dipsticks who get the big black robe and they'll think you are discussing dead poets- So enough with the politics and international comparisons- remember what Old Abe once said about a "House Divided"!!

Not to interrupt and errant thread here, but I don’t think the words “best” and “strongest” are necessarily correlative. Let me throw in “durable,” too.

Strongest is only important if the intent is to run magnums through it all the time or do some nutty tinkering. Best is a matter of function, style & grace, with a healthy dose of durability thrown in. I suspect that most of us are highly conflicted gun philanderers, born to be eternally uncertain as to which gun we really think is the best. C’mon, tell the truth.

Oh, I was just kidding Ted. By calling him a drunk I really meant he didn't know anything about cars and his knowledge of guns is suspect, too. I have no idea if he really drinks even a drop.

French car drivers and French gun sellers in US do not drink at all. Too risky

I've asked gun funs at one of the most popular Russian guns site to send me photos of defective Darne's and Darne' clones and here is it, the first photo.
Darne with crack in chamber.

lister,
Regarding strong actions, for currently produced actions, I'd look at Fabarm's double hook/lug or the Verney-Carron triple hook/lug.
For vintage actions, it may be worthwhile to look at the Cashmore Nitro and the Rigby/Bissel Rising-Bite.
For O/U Purdey's failed Sextuple grip.
-Jim