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RE: Ejectors vs. Extractors

There is no right or wrong answer, rather it is what you prefer.

I have both ejector and extractor guns and each serve a useful purpose. Extractor guns are great for all the reasons cited above, but personally I have no problems whatsoever catching empty hulls from an ejector gun. Most high end doubles are/were equipped with ejectors and the way I look at it---if I'm going to invest several grand into creating a custom dream gun it's going to be done utilizing an ejector gun as the basis.

bamboozler:

Thanks for your comments. I just finished reading McIntosh's chapter on ejectors. Your post mirrors his thoughts.

Take care.

I know absolutely nothing about engraving other than what looks good to me. For example, I like the engraving on bamboozler's Fox. I call it heavy/deep scroll (?). I'm not much for game scenes. How can I educate myself on the different types of engraving styles? Besides asthetics, are there any practical issues associated with engraving styles? I intend to hunt this custom gun and the engraving needs to endure.

Thanks.

I kind of agree with bamboozler, Jeff, and welcome to the forum. Joe is right that extractors are "O.K.", for most situations I would add. But, for one that I can positively speak of, I prefer better than O.K.. That is fast action on a dove stand. You mentioned that doves are on your agenda, mine too. I shoot doves a lot. I have already taken 6 limits of 15 each here this year in the early season. More times than not the doves pour in to feed/water at a furious rate lending to fast gunning. I can assure you that you are better off with ejectors in this situation. I shot doves one entire season with my Sterlingworth extractor, and gave up many good shots during fast flights while digging the hulls out of it. No more. Extractors are "O.K." for other bird chasing I do, quail, ducks, woodcock, etc. where you are often moving and may fail to pick up your empties if ejectors kick them in the tall grass. But doves are not like that, and there is no problem policing your brass after you fill your limit.

After 50 years banging at doves, give me ejectors every time. And don't believe that ejectors always break. I have been shooting them for many years now and have never, that's right never had one to break. This includes old side by sides as well as a Beretta O/U and competition clays guns.

Good luck with the project.

Jeff, Don't much care for ejectors either, but an easy fix for the shell ejecta is to open the gun against your chest/stomach. The hulls stay in the chamber. It's quick and easy. You hit on a great forum, info and personalities are next to none. Keep it on the top of your favorites. Randy

No offense intended, Joe, and you have already made the position known, but I'll reinforce it, ejectors are no excuse for littering. A shooter of an ejector gun can either trap the empties or pick them up after the ejection, like a pump or auto shooter.

For those who want to have ejectors but need to trap the empties in their hand here's the scoop on an easy way to learn to do it. I did not even realize how I did it until recently, after years of catching them. Trick is, you don't push the top lever over with your thumb, as you ordinarily would, you use part of your palm to do it. Look at the palm of your hand, particularly at the meaty area under your thumb. Where that semicircular wrinkle line is, that forms when you rotate your thumb left and right, is where the top lever "catches" when I rotate it to open the gun. This places your thumb and fingers in a perfect position to catch the empties, if you need to. If you think it would pinch, or rub a blister, I've never had that problem, and catch all my empties at the big sporting clay shoots where I may shoot upwards of 200 rounds a day.

Don't do it in Cordoba, though. Bird boys won't like you for taking part of their job away.

Jeff,

You will have multiple choices ahead. As Bill stated, a Fox or Parker is a good candidate. You will want to pick your own wood. I would recommend Cecil Fredi. You can email him. He will send you pictures of blanks in your stated price range. If you are not happy, he will send more. http://www.gunstockblanks.com/




You will have to choose a stocker. I can recommend Dan May http://www.classicgunstocks.com , there are many others.



http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...ge=1#Post162514

I have also used Wenig http://www.wenig.com/


Also you will need an engraver. Here are a few that are members here:

Barry Lee Hands


Ken Hurst


Geoffory Gournet http://www.gournetusa.com



Pete

I can second Pete's recommendation of Cecil Fredi. Especially if you have reason to be in Las Vegas. I have to go to Vegas twice a year on business and I'd much rather look at wood than gamble. Cecil's a great guy. If you do go visit Cecil, ask him about his adventures in Africa.

I'm reading this thread with interest because I am thinking about a project gun as well. Like many others, it's a Fox Sterlingworth 16 gauge ejector, Utica gun from 1935. I'm hung up on whether or not to rebate the frame as done on higher grade fox guns.

James

Pete:

Thanks for the comments - the photos are excellent. I have not walked around the house with a early morning woody like that since I was 12