Bob, Joined your post late, 16 group and here. Roll crimping always has caught my attention, but haven't made the switch. By chance do you have a photo of the Lyman style roll crimper. I've got a couple of the crank style stuck somewhere, but don't quite know what your talking about. Hope all is well with you and yours and having a good hunting season. Waterfowl and upland in Northern Michigan stinks with a big S. Randy

RMC