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Yah so much for good Christian teachings, what happened to turn the other cheek.? Maybe when at your service this sunday do some thinking on it. Firing of salvos over soemthing as juvenile as this? Could be some of you guys have too much time on yuor hands? CB

I once had a Mossberg that needed sleeving but it turned out that by affixing a 6" rubber suction cup to the muzzle it had more value as a plunger.

I heard that

If anyone ever needed a steel shank toilet plunger, it would be you, GregSY. Or, jOe.
Best,
Ted

Is a Darne just not worth sleeving....is that what up sets you Teddy ?

Ah, a chance to enlighten an idiot.
A Darne is a monoblock design, the originator of the concept. Instead of a soldered/brazed/collection of the barrel stubs, under rib, top rib, solder, braze and whatnot that was included in the hack-sawed remains of your Purdey sleever, there is a solid, machined chunk of tool steel. This can be heated and repaired, over and over, pretty much forever, since it is one piece.
Sleeving, involving a hacksaw, like your gun did, isn't how a Darne is repaired. The silver solder is heated, the barrels someone like you damaged when you fell on them, backed the truck over them, or, whatever, are removed, the monoblock cleaned, and brand new tubes fitted and re-soldered.
Sleeving, as it were, doesn't happen to a Darne, jOe-make a note of it, would you?


Again.
Best,
Ted

Don't really want to get in the middle here between you & Joe but it is noted that US patent #246,195 was issued Aug 23, 1881 to one Henri Pieper of Liege Belgium for a "Means of Uniting Gun Barrels". I believe it was patented in Belgium about a year earlier. While Pieper did not use the term "Monoblock" this was in fact a monoblock design, plain, pure & simple. Pieper referred to it as his "One Piece Steel Breech". (A Rose by any other name is still a Rose)
If you don't mind would you enlighten us as to just how much earlier Darne "Originated this Concept".

Charlins done similarly, Ted? Not that I need new sleeves--er uh--pants. Luv them little rib ramps on those Frenchies. Fun fact to know and share: Walt S's book illustrates a Flues with the same sunk rib and ramps. I got one--12 ga. from 1918. Like to have a Manufrance Gun & BIke "ee--day-al". Bodio ways we ain't supposed to say eye-deel.

jack

Darne originated the concept of using steel, forgings, in the case of his guns, not damascus, for the barrels, ribs and sub-assembly monoblock, in 1902. The patent issued to him was not refered to as a monoblock, either, but, as "Canons Frettés".
Pieper, using damacus for both, had an obsolete design almost before his patent was issued, at least where French gunmaking was concerned-damascus, was pretty much a thing of the past by 1881 in St. Etienne. The French got out of Damascus a few decades before anyone else, and were involved in getting US companies out of it at the turn of the century.
My Charlins always had plain, brazed barrels. Bodio speaks more French then me (I can say "I'm hungry" and curse at a waiter, more than enough for my travels in France) but, when in Rome, or, fly-over USofA, Ideal works for me.
Best,
Ted

It is true that Pieper was using damascus/twist for the tubes, but "NOT" for the breech piece (Monoblock) this was made of steel. Considering that Twisted bbls would remain in wide use for another 3-4 decades I would not call that Obsolete. Now I am not one who is Down on French Gunmakers, just like to give credit where credit is due. The French indeed had several Firsts in gunmakiking, the monoblock just didn't happen to be one of them.
PS; My Halifax also has plain brazed bbls.