July
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Who's Online Now
3 members (battle, Ted Schefelbein, Marks_21), 914 guests, and 6 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics40,271
Posts572,843
Members14,687
Most Online32,084
Jun 14th, 2026
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
As I am known (often beyond any due) as the local gun expert, one of my parent's neighbors brought this over for me to look at. I've done some research and learned the years A.G Parker changed corporate names and adopted various addresses. Ditto for Army and Navy CSL. I think I can date this rifle between 1920 and 1936 and it appears to bear a London proof mark. But I'm stumped much beyond that.

Any help you can offer is much appreciated!

I am going to attempt to post a few of pictures. More are available at my Flickr Page








Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 890
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 890
Oh man that is nice...38-55 is sweet.
Its older than you think.

look for a fine line at the muzzles to see if its a relining.

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 875
SKB Offline
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 875
It is lovely....just to my tastes. Are you sure it is .38-55? A .360 BPE seems more likely to me.
Steve


www.bertramandco.com Red & White, Blue Suede shoes...
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 948
Likes: 2
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 948
Likes: 2
I somehow think this rifle has either been re-chambered/bored from 360bpe or someone's modified the brass to work with these chambers.

I wonder if those bores still have henry rifling...

Sweet looking rifle though.
Where's the hardware that mates up to the cuts in the rib?
Does the Army/Navy case look like that rifle's been living in it for 100yrs -- is there blocking to accommodate that side-lever?







Cheers
Tinker

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,598
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,598
Alfred Gray Parker established his firm in 1894 at 69 Icknield Street, the firm were recorded as "Gun, Rifle and Pistol Makers" until about 1910.
A G Parker's nephew, A T C Hale, joined the firm in about 1895.

In 1901 the firm moved to 264 Icknield Street where they traded as A G Parker & Co, and in 1906 they became a limited company and described themselves as manufacturers of "rifle shooting requisites".

In 1912 the company moved to 6 1/2 Whittall Street which they named the Bisley Works.

By 1914 A T C Hale had developed "Parker-Rifling", a barrel liner which converted .303 rifles to .22 for training recruits in the British army. The original idea was a removable calibre conversion tube which was invented by Richard Morris (see Morris's Aiming and Sighting Apparatus).

Alfred Gray Parker died in 1915, by which time the company described themselves as manufacturers of "rifle shooting requisites and gun implements".

In 1916 the company took additional premises at 5 Whittall Street. In 1924 they took further additional premises at 55-56 Price Street.

In 1925 A T C Hale's second son, Arthur, joined the company. At about this time the firm's target rifles were based on the Lee Enfield in .303 calibre using BSA or Parker aperture sights; the shotguns which the company sold were made by BSA, Webley & Scott and Vickers (Vanguard).

In 1926 three members of the Hale family shot in the King's Hundred at the Imperial Meeting at Bisley, and in 1928 Arthur C Hale won the King's Prize.

In 1929 the company expanded into 6 Whittall Street so that their address was Bisley Works, 5, 6, 6 1/2 Whittall Street & 55-56 Price Street. By about 1932 the company's barrel and implement making works were located in 6 1/2 Whittall Street.

By 1935 the company were recorded as "Gun Implement Makers", and in 1936 the name of the company was changed from A G Parker & Co Ltd to Parker-Hale Ltd.

In 1940 the company established P H Arms Co at 79 Hurst Street, Birmingham. This company traded as "repairers", probably of service rifles. In 1946 their address was given as Proof House Hall, Banbury Street, this was probably an administration office, the company closed in 1948.

From 1949 to 1953 the company had additional workshop facilities in Lower Tower Street.

In 1952 A T C Hale died and Arthur C Hale became Chairman and Managing Director. It was at this time that the company bought the Midland Gun Company.

In 1963 the company re-located entirely to Golden Hillock Road.

In the 1960s the company sold the 500 range of over-under shotguns under the Midland name; these were made in Italy. The Midland Gun Co 700 range of over/under and side-by-side shotguns was also made in Italy (by Franchi). The 600 range of side-by-side shotguns (boxlocks and sidelocks) were made in Spain. The 800 range of over/under guns were made in Japan. Only one gun was sold under the Parker-Hale name, this was the Lu Mar 525 Italian made over/under.

In 1969 S C Hale became Chairman and John Le Breton became Managing Director.

In 1982 Arthur C Hale died, and when John Le Breton retired Roger Hale became Managing Director.

At about this time Gibbs Rifle Co of the USA made sporting rifles using the Midland and Parker-Hale names, the precise nature of the agreement which allowed this is unknown.

In November 1999, the company went into receivership and the name of Parker-Hale and the intellecual property rights of the company were sold to John Rothery (Wholesale) Co Ltd of Petersfield, Hampshire, UK; this company markets a range of shooting accessories.

For an unconverted example, see:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...;gonew=1#UNREAD

Pete

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Quote:
Oh man that is nice...38-55 is sweet.
Its older than you think.

look for a fine line at the muzzles to see if its a relining.



Thanks. I left it at my parents, but I will see if they can bring it up to me soon. I'll take some picture of the muzzle. I almost did that, but didn't think it would be very interesting.

Last edited by kcgunesq; 12/26/09 09:11 PM.
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Originally Posted By: SKB
It is lovely....just to my tastes. Are you sure it is .38-55? A .360 BPE seems more likely to me.
Steve


Not sure of anything. There were two boxes of empty shells. I suppose it could be the person used them as a source for modifying, as someone suggested. I don't reload, so I really don't know if that makes sense.

Thanks for the comments and the help!

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Originally Posted By: Tinker
I somehow think this rifle has either been re-chambered/bored from 360bpe or someone's modified the brass to work with these chambers.

I wonder if those bores still have henry rifling...

Sweet looking rifle though.
Where's the hardware that mates up to the cuts in the rib?
Does the Army/Navy case look like that rifle's been living in it for 100yrs -- is there blocking to accommodate that side-lever?


Cheers
Tinker


Tinker,

Thanks for your help. If I can get the gun in a few days, I'll see what I can see with a bore light. I was trying to get on the road to get back home before the next storm moved in, so I got a few pictures, posted and packed up (sans gun).

What hardware should mate up? I didn't see anything else in the case, but I didn't really dig through the small bag. Is there something in particular I should look for?

As for the case's history (and the gun), this is all I know:

My parents neighbor says he took this gun as security for an $80 loan decades ago from someone in central Kansas. The person never paid him back and he moved to his present location with the gun over 26 years ago, exactly how many years, I don't know.

Thanks again for taking the time to offer your thoughts.

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
Originally Posted By: PeteM
Alfred Gray Parker established his firm in 1894 at 69 Icknield Street, the firm were recorded as "Gun, Rifle and Pistol Makers" until about 1910.
A G Parker's nephew, A T C Hale, joined the firm in about 1895.

[snip]

In 1912 the company moved to 6 1/2 Whittall Street which they named the Bisley Works.

[snip]


In 1916 the company took additional premises at 5 Whittall Street. In 1924 they took further additional premises at 55-56 Price Street.

[snip]

By 1935 the company were recorded as "Gun Implement Makers", and in 1936 the name of the company was changed from A G Parker & Co Ltd to Parker-Hale Ltd.

[snip]

For an unconverted example, see:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...;gonew=1#UNREAD

Pete


Pete,

Thanks! I think I read the article you quoted and it sems to agree on the latest possible date, if I read it correctly. Sounds like my estimate for the earliest possible date might be off a couple of years. Of course, if I'm completely misreading something, please don't hesitate to correct me.

Is there something that makes you believe this was converted besides my assumption that it is a 38-55? I'm not familiar English calibers at all.

Thank you again for taking the time to offer some feedback!

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,598
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,598
They did not start using the name AG Parker & C LTD until 1906.

Take a look at the other thread. There is a 360 rifle in unaltered condition. Take a good look at the barrels. Your gun has been rebarreled. You need to make a chamber cast and measure the results to be sure of the chambering.

Greener wrote about the 360 BPE in 1910:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vIffAAA...;q=&f=false

360 BPE -- 30gr cordite -- 300grn bullet -- 1,650fps -- 1813ft lbs

But be aware, there were several variations on the 360. The British makers, like many other were "into" proprietary cartridges.

This is the 303 with both cordite and black powder


The 360 BPE




Pete

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2026 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.213s Queries: 35 (0.170s) Memory: 0.8614 MB (Peak: 1.9020 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-07-29 18:00:26 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS