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I bought a few northern European doubles that were made post-WWII. They were all choked F & F. I was told (???) this is because they shoot birds on the ground and in trees. In any case, I had the right barrels opened to IC, and have been pleased with the results.
Until he started hunting with me Joe Wood didn't know a dove could be shot in the air. Shooting them in the air is just a waste of natural resources like lead and gunpowder. Go green and ground sluse at least 3 at a time.
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That's what Joe argues. And he has been arguing that shooting them on the ground leads to less lead shot pollution as many of the pellets go so deep into the ground the grouse can't get to them.
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It takes a certain level of pompousness for one to try and dictate what is appropriate for another to do with his gun. With the fervor often displayed you'd think they were defending the honour of their wife.
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If you could put the metal varnish that you removed back into the barrels wood when you chose, then I would agree.........since you can't, I think butchering is the correct term.....
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That is easily & commonly done, remove one finish and replace with another.....using the same stain and varnish that the original factories used.....with no sanding........it's a very common practice..... This is a thread about opinions...NOBODY REALLY CARES what you or anyone else does with their guns......it is a cross section of opinions from both sides....cut 'em up or don't cut 'em up....called "butchering".........like your home made Fox forend tip mod, you can put compasses in the stocks, drill holes everywhere and anywhere or nowhere....add slings & extra holes or choke tubes & re-cut the chambers and bores, blinking sights, inlay shiney pearly things, engrave your girl friends phone number somewhere, ---WHATEVER.....who cares.....---NOBODY---...... Zero wood was removed on this gun BTW..... 
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Question: How far do you lead a dove?
Answer: No lead required if the wind's not blowing. However, a strong wind moving the wires a lot requires a bit of lead.
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Question: How far do you lead a dove?
Answer: No lead required if the wind's not blowing. However, a strong wind moving the wires a lot requires a bit of lead. My shooting student Joe Wood always argues that it takes just as much skill to shoot a dove on a powerline from the back of a pickup going 45mph as it does when standing still and the dove is flying by at 45mph. He says the lead is the same if the distance to the dove is the same. Mike
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My shooting student Joe Wood always argues that it takes just as much skill to shoot a dove on a powerline from the back of a pickup going 45mph as it does when standing still and the dove is flying by at 45mph. He says the lead is the same if the distance to the dove is the same.
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Try speeding up to 55 mph.... 
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My shooting student Joe Wood always argues that it takes just as much skill to shoot a dove on a powerline from the back of a pickup going 45mph as it does when standing still and the dove is flying by at 45mph. He says the lead is the same if the distance to the dove is the same.
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Try speeding up to 55 mph.... 45mph is the maximum controllable speed across a plowed field. Mike
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Doug, I've never shot doves in the western states, or I wouldn't be asking, but why do you need an extra full choke with probably at least an ounce of shot in a 16 to kill doves? I was under the impression that most doves out there were shot either around stock tanks or feed lots. Do you have to engage in pass shooting? We don't always HAVE to engage in pass shooting, but we always GET to. After opening day, 50-60 yard shots are not uncommon in the desert. There are almost no stock tanks in southern Arizona, and the few feed lots that are operating are off limits to hunters unless you know somebody. The real treat is jump shooting with a full choke .410 in the sand dunes.
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