doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion Classic & Custom Single Barreled Sporting Rifles @ doublegunshop.com American Gun Company Highwall Model 1885 Now Out

I'm going to stay with the Ubertis. I think they are a good value for what they are.
Tom

Something to bear in mind, the Winder musket HiWall actions were apparently unhardened, or at any rate not hardened the same as the centerfire actions. Nontheless they are very strong and will IMO (and the experts' Os) handle any rimmed cartridge, BP or smokeless.

Mark,

Should they be re-hardened if using for a new build?


thanks,

Rob

Don't know who could harden a Winder action and doubt it is necessary .... those actions have been used since time immemorial .... or at least since the 1930s .... for all kinds of hot varmint .22s. Maybe one of our contributors to this forum has some knowledge if there were any problems. I think Campbell has some thoughts on this but I don't have his books handy.

AGC will get their quality issues worked out. I didn't pay near $1K for the action but right now it's a seller's market. The price will come down as the quantities available go up. You can tell by the squeals whose oxen are getting gored here. AGC represents a real threat to those selling 100 year old actions and to the custom gunmaking crowd. AGC actions will drive the price of old actions down and their complete guns will squeeze out custom makers charging $3K plus.

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Don't think any oxen are getting gored. Some of these gentlemen are like me, OLD, and I like old guns. I think as long as the Italians are in business there will be no shortage of new reproductions. I have 3 sons and 2 grandsons who have been around and had access to guns all their life, but none of them have the same desire for the old ones as me. I am not going to lose any sleep fretting about the old ones drying up in my lifetime. When I'm gone someone will be owning the ones I have. Can't take them with you, so they will be available to some future, OLD,gun crank.

Well if you didn't pay anywhere near $ 1 K then I guess your trying to milk our fellow Single Shot members. Question, are those actions cast or forged steel ?.

If you think AGC is a real threat to those buying and selling the real thing, you know, real original Winchesters, and that AGC actions will drive the price of old actions down, well I only hope your correct. I cant wait to see real Winchester Hi-Walls selling for under $ 500. I'm going to start saving now so when that happens I can buy a life time supply.
S T

This discourse reminds me of what my ol' dad used to say... "In a pissing contest everyone gets wet!"

Settrigger, when I got out of law school in 1956 I went to work in Washington DC for the Labor Department. There was one pawn shop that had a lot of guns and plain HiWalls were $35. Of course the value of the dollar has plummeted in the last half century, a dollar in 1956 would buy about as much as eight bucks today. So those HiWalls cost the equivalent of $280.