hi again, jim legg the load is actually 16.5 grains bullseye unknown 7/8oz wad and a win 209 primer......... an old friend whom has passed away used to make them for me. no idea ware he got the load data..... Market hunter 5 too 10 shots a year would be high volume for me with the #4 buck. lucky me the h&a was free!!! if it fails im not out much lol. although i do like my eyes and fingers.maybe i need too look into a low pressure 1oz -1 1/4oz #4 buck load or find some lead F or T SHOT. BB is too small too penetrate well on these yotes at the 40-50 yard mark. probably fine on the 10-25 yard shots but dosnt always happen close.i've all the components except powder and i have a book on shot-shell reloading, and an old lyman press i might have do dig out and develope a "superwhacka" load for the old double crowbar. thank you for all the replies gentlemen