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Hello gentlemen:

I have a lot of old 410 ammo 3" paper shotshells (from the 70´s) loaded each one with 5 nasty 0.33" lead balls (I do not know if they are 0 or 00 buck)
For me that load are usless, but I was thinking to change that buck pellets for #9 chilled shot that I already have.
I weighted the 5 pellets and they weight, on average 270 grains, so my question is, can I change for #9 shot (same weight, of coures)without any possible danger?
The shotshells are roll crimped, so it is easy to meke that change and convert a lot of usless ammo to a very nice quail load. I only need to increas a little the wad column with some tissue paper in order to close again the roll crimp at the same height.

Please, if you think I am doing something stupid or, worse, danger, please comment.

Thank you in advance for your wise replies.

Best regards,

Jose

I don't think you are going to do damage to your gun, but will the resulting shells be neat and clean? Sounds like a lot of work. Paper shells have some collector value up here, but the buckshot loads are mostly bought by hoarders. Hoarders should pay you almost retail for those shells.

Probably be tough to sell shells to US hoarders from Mexico City don't you think Murphy?

Sounds like with some work you could turn them into something you could use. I'd do a few and see how they seem to work on clays first just just as a test.

Destry

P.S. to Jose: Is there still any live pigeon shooting done around Mexico City?

I do not know anybody interested in vintage shotshells here. I know that in USA almost everthing are "collectable"; we have a border between us, so there is no practical (or even legal) way to send those old paper shotshells to you.

My question is regard any possible danger (rising pressure) in making the change of buck pellets for #9 shot. Please comment.

Now about Destry question about live pigeon, yes of course!!!
About 1 hr drive from downtown Mexico city there is the "Buenavista shoting club" the most famous place for live pigeon shooting in Mexico. All the diferent types of pigeon shooting (colombaire, jaula europea, Barnabie) are practiced in that place.
Also there are 3 or 4 more shoting places that makes live pigeon tournaments within an hour from Mexico city.
Completly legal and still a lot of shoters like it because there are money prices involved in all tournaments.

Best,

Jose

Jose;
I have no idea what the actual impact on pressure would be. It is however generally considered that very fine shot in comparsion with very large shot, the fine will give a higher pressure level than will the coarse. This is brought on by there being much greater bore contact, thus more bore friction, with the fine shot. In loading manuals buckshot loads are virtually always listed seperately from regular shot loads. I cannot positively state you would have any problem with the switch, but I for one would not personally recommend it until you found someone really in the know as to what the results might be.

Jose,

Glad to hear that pigeon shooting is still alive and well down your way. Always wanted to try the colombaire style, all I've ever done is barnabie.


Destry

Hello Destry and José,

Was invited to a local live pigeon shooting club week-end before last.

Could you clarify the differences, colombaire/baranabie et al?

Will probably be going again soon and would like to educate myself on the sport.

Thanks in advance.

JC

P.S.: Curiously enough one of the shooters -and a member of the club's board- was a Mexican engineer. jc

Gentlemen:

I was on holidays so I do not notice your replies.

Thank you 2-Piper and others for your advise regard my idea to change the shot in old 410 "00" shotshells. I think I will keep the shotshells as they are and buy modern ammo to shot (quite expensive here, about $15 dollars for a 25, 2 1/2", 1/2 oz box and only #7 1/2 or #6 shot).

I do not practice live pigeon shooting, but as I know there are 3 different styles and one of them have 2 "substyles"

Colombaire: the pigeon are "launched" by hand. The "colombaire" (person that hand thrown the pigeon) are in front of you in a special colombaire "stand" with areas and wires that limit the position of shoter and colombaire (pigeon must pass over the wire to be a valid one). This style have 2 substyles: traditional and "valenciano", but I do not know for sure the differences between both.

Jaula: I think this is the world known traditional pigeon shooting. 5 cages in front of you and when you call the bird one of the cages opens randomly and then the bird is free to fly. A tennis size ball fall when the cage is open so the bird is scared and then fly. You can not shoot the bird until he is flying. If the bird refuses to fly, a person launches up to 3 balls to make the bird fly; if the pigeon do not fly after the 3rd ball, he is called null and the shooter starts again.

Barnabie: Same 5 cages in front of you, but those ones have a mechanism that "catapult" (launch) the bird when the cage relases, so the bird is forced to fly.

I hope my crude english are understable.

Best,

I didn't know that what you call Juala was still practiced anywhere, I just assumed everybody used Barnabie style traps now. Wish I could get down there some day and give it a try, that's how some of the old style matches were shot here.

Destry

Jose, your English is fine, and thanks for the explanation of pigeon shooting options in Mexico. We don't use any drop traps without flingers up here any more that I know of, but they may still use them at some clubs in Pennsylvania. Even the antique Pennsylvania traps in my collection have some kind of flingers that propel the bird upward. Columbaire shoots are held at my club a couple of times a year, but members fill up the entries so fast that no guests ever get to shoot. Too bad because a Columbaire shoot is a wonderful experience. Our throwers are just astounding athletes who should be playing pro ball.