Jose, your English is fine, and thanks for the explanation of pigeon shooting options in Mexico. We don't use any drop traps without flingers up here any more that I know of, but they may still use them at some clubs in Pennsylvania. Even the antique Pennsylvania traps in my collection have some kind of flingers that propel the bird upward. Columbaire shoots are held at my club a couple of times a year, but members fill up the entries so fast that no guests ever get to shoot. Too bad because a Columbaire shoot is a wonderful experience. Our throwers are just astounding athletes who should be playing pro ball.