Gentlemen, I again implore you to take your personal affronts to PM, e mails or snail mail what ever. I've been corresponding with Walt by PM and seem to have bben able to communicate on a very adult level. This thread and the one Runs with the Fox are prime examples of what can happen with a honest posting. By the way my address is: John Holmes, 546 Clemens Court, Portage, Wi. 53901, 608 742 3190 or popplecop@hotmail.com