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I'd have to agree with your statement. I picked up a nice Browning Citori Featherweight in 20ga with 28" barrels... excellent condition for a $1000. But if you want the sxs, not the o/u, you're going to pay a bit more.

Personally, I haven't seen or had any problem with the Citori single triggers but I do LOVE double triggers. Last year I found a beautiful Beretta that had been reworked by Coles in Maine. He restocked it with beautiful wood (straight stock too) and then added double triggers... had it been a 20ga, I probably would have bought it.


The Miroku guns aren't as popular for a couple reasons. For one, less people know about them. Plus, most of the DT guns were imported by Charles Daly and most people would rather have a Browning over a Charles Daly. Also, Browning imported way more SXSs than Charles Daly. The wood, checking and engraving on the Daly guns is not as nice so that could be another factor. But I would say that the Daly/Miroku SXSs are probably more reliable.... they have extractors and double triggers. Plus, the Dalys have chopper lump barrels while the Brownings have dovetail barrels. They are also lighter weight and about 1/2 the price.

I go with Daly any day. They are really sleepers.

Adam

A bit of hyperbole, I admit, Mark. I probably should have said
one hundred thousand round reliability. Most people who have second barrel problems clamp the trigger or have jellyfish shoulder of something that prevents reset.

jack

I find it interesting that the shooter is solely at fault when the trigger is trapped. FWIW, the NSCA rules committee has decided trapping is a shooter error, not a gun malfunction. I can't argue that, but I believe there's some shared responsibility or a synergistic effect or something. I can't say I've ever seen it occur with any gun other than a Citori. Hand that same shooter a Beretta, and he can't make it happen...hand that same Citori to another shooter and he can't make it happen. Seems it takes two to tango.

That would be because trigger trapping IS a shooter error. I can attest to the Citori and Beretta triggers being mechanically different, but they are about equally poor in regards to factory stock "feel".
Seems to me that defective wiring would have little relationship to some mechanical aspect. Might be interesting to take a poll somewhere and see if brain farts cluster around a brand name.

WtS

Trigger trapping is shooter error much the same as flinching is shooter error...but I don't think they belong in the "brain fart" category.

Nobody "forgets" to pull the trigger in a flinch and nobody "forgets" to release it in a trapping situation.

Clearly, some people have a tendency to clamp down and not reflexively relax enough to reet the trigger on some guns after the first shot, but some guns reset for those people 100% in spite of that tendency. I've already taken a poll while watching people shoot sporting clays for the last 20 years and I know which brand is most often involved.

I have NEVER clamped the trigger on either a 425, my old GTI, or on other people's Citoris which I picked off the SC rack by mistake. Happened Sunday last. 5 for 6 so I probably shot it better than my own gun. Believe me, I have flinched, occasionally accompanied by the over-balance staggers in front of a trap pad. Have seen one shooter clamp the trigger second barrel repeatedly with a Citori. Double triggers for ovahunda? No problem for me; have Merkel 200e and '37 "twin-single" Super.

jack

The Miroku DT guns are held in high regard, by those in the know. Since Mirokus were never imported into the US in any appreciable quantity, most people just don't know the guns, and Browning does have the big name on their Miroku guns. I have guns marked Miroku, Daly, and Browning and in the earlier guns (60's-70's), the Miroku and Daly guns seem to be of better quality than the somewhat comparable Brownings. Generally have better wood and nicer (hand cut sometimes) engraving. I have a pair of newer (approx 2003) O/U's from Miroku (MK70) and Browning (Feather XS Sporting) and they are pretty much the same in terms of apparent quality.

Since this seems to be confusing two distinct things, trigger trapping and trigger resetting, some distinction should be imposed. Triggers inertial systems may not disconnect properly and leave the second bbl "unset". That can be attributed to a trigger needing attention or a shooter needing a firmer grip. Trapping the trigger on the other hand has nothing to do with the inertial system other than it prevents the final phase of the trigger re-engaging the sear for the second bbl. You can hold back the trigger on any inertial set trigger in the world and make that happen.For that matter you can hold back the trigger on a mechanical as well and it will not function either. How could it?
Those are most certainly NOT the same thing and confusing them will likely not lead to a resolution. You'll have to decide which it is you are talking about.

WtS

Precisely!! Amazing clarity of mind, wTs.

jack