doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Need advice on Parker vh grade 20ga. barrels.

This the pair.... http://bertramandco.com/powell12gaPair.html

At the $13,000 asking price plus $8,200 to Teague line the barrels these guns are going to remain upside down for ever....Plus they have other issues such as old cracks and being off face.

You the advisor on all this ?

Thanks for your deep insight Joe but you may not have all the details of this transaction. Maybe we should just sleeve 'em the way you like your guns?

I don't own any...but there's nothing wrong with a properly sleeved gun.

Thanks for all the advice guys,I dont know.The gun is only worth about three grand for one in better shape.As it is probably 1500 to 2000. Its not a high value gun.I would hate to spend four thousand dollars on it.Knowing i could never get my money back.Also would it be harder to sell if someone knows its been relined.Could i just have it honed and the shoot light loads through it and be ok.what is the minimum barrel thickness that would be safe.

SKB might be your man for a barrel hone and wall measurement....what say SKB ?

I had him check one out for me; a Westley Richards 16ga that I had traded into about 40 years ago. The barrels had been honed too thin to shoot safely. He'll tell you if it isn't worth fooling with.

Mine had a popped rib and he refused to re-attach it for fear it would be passed along to a unsuspecting buyer (like I was in the late 1960's when I got it). I respected him for turning down that work even though I wouldn't have passed the bad barrels off to anyone else...Geo

SKB - Thank you for answering my questions. I completely understand the issues of having the process itself highlight weaknesses (such as poorly attached ribs) that weren't apparent until the work began. However, and this is just my opinion/feedback as a potential customer, it is disappointing to see that the cost has nearly doubled in the few years that this option has been available. I do think this is the most elegant solution available to the problem of bad bores (especially for retaining the beauty of damascus tubes). Without knowing the specifics I am ignorant of the reason for the process changing, but it is hard to understand how the change is for the better if they did not need to be re-layed in the past. The real shame is that there are a LOT more candidates for this process at 2400 than at 4100.

In any case, I mean this only as feedback and not criticism. I do not have the insider knowledge to be aware of how/why the process changed, and therefore am unqualified to criticize. But, I did have a gun I was considering for this process at the right time, but now, sadly, it is not cost-effective. That is a LARGE jump, and I hope you understand where I'm coming from as a consumer.

On another note, what are the prospects for the process being available for 20s and 28s in the future? As bore size goes down, cost effectiveness becomes more tolerable.

Truth is a gun with a Teague lined barrel is going to take a big hit in value....at the current price the hit is going to be even greater than a sleeved gun.

There's not been allot of talk about how well the Teague process does or doesn't hold up in use....I've often wondered how long could a piece of steel as thin as a piece of paper glued inside a gun barrel last ?

For use I'd buy a properly sleeved gun over a Teague lined gun.

I do understand where you are coming from as a consumer and realize what your are saying about the jump in price. The new pricing structure includes shipping which was billed separately in the past. The cost of shipping has risen many fold since 9/11 and when you factor in the shipping and additional work included(ribs, metal finish, action work) we feel it is still an excellent value. We are looking into both 10 and 20 ga liners in the future, no plans for 28ga currently.

Sorry I thought I pretty well listed all the details Since you asked here's my thoughts on the 'pair of Powells'....Not the best action design, not stocked to the balls they do have beautiful wood "with issues" and a nice case. Did you notice the W&C Scott forearm release ?

Here's your observations....Wood "Gun #1 has a small repaired crack that runs from the trigger plate to the lock and a very well done 1/2 inch patch just to the rear of the trigger guard. Gun #2 has a small pair of repaired cracks 1/2 an inch apart on the bottom rear of the forend."

Metal..."Both guns have 30" barrels, Gun #1 has been rebarreled by Powell and is choked .008/.008. Gun #2 has the original damascus barrels that have been blued and are choked .008/.016. Gun # 2 is also slightly off of face. The barrel walls are extremely thin on both guns, making this pair excellent candidates for Teague lining".


Hard to believe they are worn out like they are....makes one wonder if the quality was ever really there.