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Guys:
just to keep this goin' a bit...
the 12 Ga 1/2 frame with 28" bbls weighs 6 lbs 0.2oz on my digital scale ... and my 0 frame 16Ga also with 28" tubes weighs 6lbs 9.1oz...
.... and thanks to ejsxs in Chile for sending on the M MacIntosh reference on #s of 1/2 frame guns...
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I don't know if the question "why the 1/2 frame?" has ever been answered sufficiently. Parker Bros., well before the Remington days, was experimenting with smaller frame twelve gauge guns and this may have been the intended/unintended result of that endeavor but, the question remains, why not stick with the 1-frame twelve that had always been so popular in the hammer gun and early hammerless days? The 0-frame sixteen and the 1-frame twelve were made to allow for a lighter carrying gun in the gauge of choice to the buyer but the 1/2-frame is an enigma. We may never learn the answer to this question. I've read that there may have been somewhere around 250 1/2-frame Parkers made.
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PGCA has denied access to the Parker records to respected researchers Are you able/willing to comment on their reason(s)? I would think Destry/Markethunter could tell us.
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To be more precise, M. MacIntosh reference to Parker 1/2 frames is in "Best Guns". Several articles in the DGJ have contributed to the 1/2 frame saga. Ed Muderlak devotes a full opinionated chapter (Chapter 12) of his book("Parker Guns", Safari Press) to Parker frames. He believes that the 1/2 frame came as a result of Remington´s need to lower costs. A lighter frame would have saved them from men hours spent in the finishing process (Chapter 15). He is right in pointing out that Parker never advertised frame sizes as an option.
There is a table of frame dimensions in a Charles Price article in the DGJ and also in the book "Parker Gun: Identification and Serialization" (p. 45), C. Price & S. Pjestad.
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I have a nice Parker DHE 16 one frame that has 32" barrels and weighs 7-4 and I really like it. I took it to Argentina to shoot dove and put about three thousand rounds of 1oz loads through it. Sure wouldn't want to do that with the O frame. The one frame 16 is a nice gun to shoot clays with too.
The sixteen O frames do sell at a premium to the one frames but both are fine guns, just different.
My shooting student Joe Wood has a couple of Parker 12 gauge 1 frames. They weight 6-7 and 6-9 and are great, lively bird guns.
Best,
Mike
Last edited by AmarilloMike; 06/28/10 09:54 AM.
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By accident, I found that a 1/2 frame is nothing more than a 1 frame with a narrowed front end to accept a 0 frame forend. 1/2 frame barrels are 1 frame barrels according to Parker Brothers blueprints. The 1/2 frame, contrary to popular thought, is not a Remington invention. The original blueprints of the 1/2 frame are dated years prior to the Remington takeover, 1930 as I recall. After looking at the blueprints, which state "Use #1 frame barrels", I took a pair of 16 gauge #1 frame barrels and clicked them on a 1/2 frame back end and I've been shooting it ever since. The 1 frame forend would not work, but I happened to have a 1/2 frame forend, and it clicked on. A 0 frame forend will click on too. This gun is a lighty with a 00 size stock. As Researcher suggests, maybe Parker Brothers had a surplus of #1 frames and #0 forends in the parts bin and few orders for 16 and 20 gauge guns and decided to figure out how to use both on 12 gauge guns. I can think of no better scenario.
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eightbore,
According to Price and Pjestad dimensions of 1/2 frame and 1 frame are ALL different, but one: distance between strikers. On the other hand, distance across hinge is the same (1,5 in.) for 1/2, 0, 00 and 000 frames. This explains why a 0 frame forend will click in a 1/2 frame. I have the impression that yours is good but circumstantial evidence. I don´t see how was economically possible to make 1/2 frames out of 1 frames.
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How can the O frame be distinguished from the others ?
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It has an "O" stamped on the bottome of the lug.
Best,
Mike
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