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I have a BLE Jeffery shot and ball gun with the same barrel and chamber dimensions, blue floorplate and a serial number in the 25000 range. Said to have been made in the early 1930's, but my letter to the keeper of the records a few years ago was not answered. I'll try again.
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On the right barrel in front of the flats but behind the provisional proof stamp ,there appears to be a date stamp .Crossed pikes over a letter. Can't make it out on the photo but A= 1920/1921 and so on .
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Sir, please elaborate. What is Delcour-Dupont? How come the date 6.06.1921? What does crossed scepters mean? Delcour-Dupont was a Beglian source for tubes and if I'm looking at the "Crown" over "D" stamps correctly, the tubes would have been sourced from Belgium. If I'm not mistaken, and I submit to the Belgian proofmark authorities, on fluid steel tubes the "Crown" over "D" for Delcour-Dupont was registered in 6.06.1921 but I'll admit that I haven't checked damascus-barrels.com or Drew's site to check for sure. The crossed septers are the crossed sabers on the underside of the right tube which has been identified as a date code. Terry, good eye on the chamber length. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Thanks a lot for Delcour-Dupont explanation.
What does the number 17796 on bottom rib indicate?
There is a stamping JA under left barrel. It is on extreme right corner of the 3rd pic. I have seen this same stamping on another Jeffery and that Jeffery was stamped Fred Williams on both sides of receiver. What does it indicate?
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Thanks a lot for Delcour-Dupont explanation.
What does the number 17796 on bottom rib indicate?
There is a stamping JA under left barrel. It is on extreme right corner of the 3rd pic. I have seen this same stamping on another Jeffery and that Jeffery was stamped Fred Williams on both sides of receiver. What does it indicate? Raimey is correct. The barrels were sourced from Delcour-Dupont. During this period Delcour-Dupont was a large supplier of barrels, both fluid and damascus, to the trade. This was just prior to a huge upheaval in Belgian wages, which adversely affected their gun trade. The number on the under rib is most likely just a factory job number. The JA marking as Raimey suggests, is an internal reference from the factory. It most likely represents the tradesman who did the final striking of the barrels in Birmingham. By the way, Herakles is the Greek name that we know as Hercules (the Roman version of the name). Yet another marketing term. Pete
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The JA will be Joseph Asbury who was a barrel filer. Lagopus.....
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Ah yes, Joseph Asbury would be the fella. What is/was the name of the device that was used to profile the tubes set? I think it was something like an inverted "U" that moved on a rail, forward and aft, with the tubes set centered under the device, profiling the sides?
Lagopus, were you not closely involved in the decimalisation of Britian in 1971 and if so when are you going to help us tote up our ciphers and give us yet another lesson in converting Schillings?(L.s.d.) to pounds?
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This is amazing! So Mr. Joseph Asbury was a barrel filer with Jeffery or with the Birmingham gun maker who made guns for Jeffery?
It seems that he worked for long time because the other Jeffery I mentioned was an older gun with proof marks of period 1896-1904!
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Joseph Asbury was working in the Birmingham gun trade fron around 1890 up until the 1930's, possibly as late as the beginning of the last war circa 1939. I have a Tolley 2" chamber 12 bore made by Skimmin & Wood who owned the Tolley name and also a Jeffery 16 bore with the JA stamp on the barrels.
Raimy, I can help with the decimal (which should really be centimal) currency conversion from pounds shillings and pence as I was born pre the currency change. 12 pence to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound therefore there are 240 pennies to the pound. A shilling is the equivalent to 5 new pence. Then to complicate things you may fine some old guns priced in Guineas; a guinea is £1 and 1 shilling or £1.05p. A florin is 2 shillings (10p) a crown five shillings (25p) and half a crown 2 shillings and six pence (12 1/2p) half pence pieces have now been dropped.
Most measurments are the same but I was also taught to work in rods, poles, perches and furlongs. Weights are the same except when weighing pigs which which are weighed in scores which are units of 20 pounds. The kids today have it easy but still can't do it without pocket calculators. Any conversions and I will happily oblige. Lagopus.....
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