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Yes this gun was the one that RMC had when it damaged. I have the original barrel's in my gun room. Terry

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Terry,

I wondered what happened to those barrels. Glad they did not end up in the trash.

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Pete,
The comment earlier was that they were"reamed". Did that mean someone with a 2 3/4 reamer or a forcing cone reamer took the barrel chambers out?

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Is that the same Damascus pattern that the gun had before....and what is the pattern really called ?

I've saw it on guns before to me it just doesn't look very strong.

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I've saw it on guns before to me it just doesn't look very strong.

How do you look at a piece of steel/iron & "SEE" how strong it is??


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Originally Posted By: Stallones
Pete,
The comment earlier was that they were"reamed". Did that mean someone with a 2 3/4 reamer or a forcing cone reamer took the barrel chambers out?


I do not recall if the chambers were lengthened. I know that RMC confirmed from the photos that some one had been in there. I seem to recall that when he measured the wall thickness, it was on the thin side.

You can see the tool marks in these photos.









Fluid steel would have split....


The damascus fragmented, which is what it should have done.

I can not emphasis enough about how important it is to measure a gun before firing. Some time back, I purchased a German sxs with very nice Bernard damascus barrels, that was made circa 1870. I measured the chambers and found them very thin. Upon close inspection with a bore light I could make out faint tool marks. Needless to say, it is not a shooter. I did keep it, because I wanted a gun with Bernard damascus.





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Pete,
The comment earlier was that they were"reamed". Did that mean someone with a 2 3/4 reamer or a forcing cone reamer took the barrel chambers out?


I do not recall if the chambers were lengthened. I know that RMC confirmed from the photos that some one had been in there. I seem to recall that when he measured the wall thickness, it was on the thin side.

You can see the tool marks in these photos.






The damascus fragmented, which is what it should have done.

I can not emphasis enough about how important it is to measure a gun before firing. Some time back, I purchased a German sxs with very nice Bernard damascus barrels, that was made circa 1870. I measured the chambers and found them very thin. Upon close inspection with a bore light I could make out faint tool marks. Needless to say, it is not a shooter. I did keep it, because I wanted a gun with Bernard damascus.


Pete


From the photo's it appears the cones were ground on as well, as the tool marks continue through the cones and into the bore........the cone wall at the junction is extremely thin and it appears to be the area that fractured first......

The powder residue covers up some of the "grinding" tool marks, but they are still visible in the cone area and bore..........

The heavy grinding tool marks just prior to the cone further indicate a chamber lengthening and cone tapering procedure........IMO.......and the inevitable destruction of these barrels........


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FYI, I am still looking for another set of Baker barrels if anyone knows of any. These are rough, but shootable, inside. The Serial of this gun is 4768 I believe.

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I've saw it on guns before to me it just doesn't look very strong.

How do you look at a piece of steel/iron & "SEE" how strong it is??


I can't....but I can recognize lower grades of Damascus.

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You would be hard pressed to get a better grade of Damascus than Bernard. It still all comes done to wall thickness and proper ammunition.

Sherman Bell, last year, had an article in the DGJ where he ran a series of loads through some low grade twist barrels. They did just fine. It is easy enough to find period literature that eschews laminated / twist barrels.

To each their own.

Pete

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