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Prior to building their factory where they say they now build their guns, (insert; cough, cough, choke, choke) didn’t Holland & Holland have most if not all of their guns built at W & C Scott & Sons?

With a Stan Baker bore gauge both bores measure .779 and are both choked to .754

treblig1958:
I am sure H&H does not need me to come to their defense. However, I can assure you that ALL Holland & Holland guns are "built" in their London factory. I have stood next to the machines and craftsmen who do it. In the factory. With Holland & Holland management.

That aside, you are correct in the fact that H&H used W. & C. Scott & Son as one source of action forgings, barrels, etc., prior to the construction of their own factory. After that, most outsourcing was scaled back severely. And in NO case did Scott ever "build" Holland & Holland guns.

But, perhaps you have more valid sources than my own.

Best, Kensal

Sounds pristine enough for me...Geo

Yes, Perhaps you need to check your sources Kensal. Your telling me this gem of a gun was produced in the Holland factory? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11655
And what about the "Northwood" model? Or how about the "Cavalier"?
I think it is a pretty well known fact that not all Holland & Hollands were built in their factory Kensal. I too know some individuals who have apprenticed, worked and then left the factory and they too acknowledge that fact. Firms like A.A. Brown, S. Wright & son, W & C Scott, among others are known to have built COMPLETED guns for Hollands, even if Hollands did the final finishing on some of these pre-built guns in house...the guns still showed up at Hollands put together lock, stock and barrel.

Dustin

I talked to Donald Dallas about this.

My question to him:
"Did Henry Holland make guns, as well as have guns made for him in the trade? Did H&H make guns before they opened their factory in the 1890s?"

Mr Dallas's response:

"As regards Henry Holland, he did make some guns, but the majority were built elsewhere. Even when the factory was built, H & H had many of their 2nd quality guns built in Birmingham."

OWD

LeFusil:
I bow to your preeminent knowledge. I shall not quibble about the meaning of the word "built." I must have been mistaken.

Best, Kensal

Please, no bowing. And you are right...its best not to quibble. One of these days I hope you add something here that is informative, helpful, and enlightening. We are all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting patiently to hear some of your preeminent knowledge. Good day.

Dustin

Hollands of course did own Webley & Scott for a while; hence some of the later boxlocks with the H&H name on. It seems to me, from watching this site and reading American gun magazines, that more of the better grade Scotts went over to America than can be found in the U.K. They are very hard to come across here in England. Lagopus..... nice find by the way.

Always have to get that shot in there, 'second quality' but the 'Best' guns we, of course, built.
And under his breath, so no one else can hear it, 'with a lot of help from W & C Scott'!!!

Okay enough said about that, I've babbled on enough.
Nice find and a beautiful Scott!!