Early guns had their troubles but I think they have worked the issues out. From what I see, many of the negative posters on the various forums either are talking about some of the first guns that came out, or are talking out of their rear end to look like an internet expert (not talking about you Mike). There are faulty guns in any brand, and first production runs tend always have some issues. CZ has good QC and has been very good at fixing any problems that were happening to customers. Orvis now imports the Ringneck under their name for a good deal more money. I have shot a Bobwhite for 6 years and my wife has shot a Ringneck for the last 3 years. I have fancier guns, but enjoy having the CZs to use in harsh conditions. I have in excess of 10,000 rounds through mine and it still locks up tight. I shoot a lot of clays with it and hunt in excess of 40 days each fall with it. I have shot geese to Bobwhite with it and it has been flawless. They are on the heavy side but I like to use mine for waterfowl so it works fine for me. The smaller gauges (4-10, 28 and 20ga) are fairly light guns. Below are some photos of the guns. They are a gun for using and should not be compared against high end guns, which is often the case in doubles. Its like comparing a Remington 870 to a Purdy. For the price I think they are a good value.