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Saw one today, Field grade. Thought laminated would have been used on a higher grade?
Was kinda interesting....ebony forend tip as well.
Best, Mark
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If it was a Field Grade with Laminated (Twist) Steel barrels that is an unusual gun. The Field Grade was a 00 Gr. before the grade change to nouns in 1913, was listed as having Armor steel barrels only, however a 20 ga. Field Gr. has shown up with Damascus barrels. They, Hunter, would please you in any way reasonable.
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Thanks David:)
It was real laminated, not twist though.
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And it was marked "Field Grade"? Very unusual.
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L.C. Smith used Laminated barrels on only one hammerless gun, and that was the Gr. 1. Only used from 1892-1898. They were available on hammer guns It would be interesting to see if the serial numbers match. Like I said before they would make anything you wanted within reason.
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Seems to fall right in there with the Parker Bros. Trojans with Twist barrels and VH-Grades with Damascus barrels.
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Just checked serial number on collectors sight, 1891.
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If the sn date is correct, then some of the other reported facts don't jive. The Field Grade was not marked and cataloged as such until 1913 (Grade was roll-stamped atop the right barrel); and I believe I recall that the OO Grade was not introduced until 1898. What is the serial number? If the number does date the gun to 1891, it will be a 5 digit number starting with the number 3 (3XXXX); and laminated steel barrels would have been used on lower grade Smith guns from the 1891 era. Please advise
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s/n 339xx....I am beggining to doubt myself now!! I know it was laminated, round knob, ebony insert...having major lack of confidence on everything else now though...did numbers match? no engraving? barrel markings?
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Sounds like a very early Grade 1/Quality 1 Gun (for a while after the Hunter Brothers acquired the Smith gun, they made Grade and Quality models concurrently; often makes ID on these early guns tough and confusing). This was the lowest grade/quality Smith hammerless gun offered at the time, and to make things even more confusing; some are not engraved, some have a simple line border and maybe a flourish of scroll, and then there's the real odd duck like the Grade 1 JDW owns with dogs on each lockplate. To further confuse the issue, some of these very early hammerless guns have no grade mark at all; and even in surviving early serial number/shipping records, there are many guns listed without a grade identifier. Laminated Steel would be the correct barrel steel; and round knob grips are not uncommon on these early guns. Ebony forend tips were standard on all pre-1913 Smith hammerless guns regardless of grade with some of the very early Fulton marked guns having a forend tip identical the those of the Syracuse guns they replaced; but after the transition period, all pre-13 Smith forends featured the "V" shaped tip most commonly associated with the Smith gun.
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