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Hi all, was wondering what your thoughts are on this one: http://www.safarioutfittersltd.com/EnglishPage20.htmThe gun was made in 1932 and proofed in Birmingham. So.........Good price? Any comments at all are appreciated. Thanks and all the best! Greg
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I think for 7K, I would want that buggered screwhead repaired.
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C'mon man, 7 large for a sleeved gun with buggered screws, and really no eye popping or outstanding features.. and just by looking at the pics...I'll bet if you grabbed the gun by the wrist and give it a shake, you'd hear or feel the barrels rattle a tad. I like Safari Outfitters, Niles is a really cool guy to deal with, but there are better deals out there on 7 grand guns. Greg, by now, with all your questions over the last couple of years, I would think you would know a good deal when you see one.
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Thanks all, I'm not buying, but I'm trying to get a base of info for the future, just in case. I agree the price may be a bit high, but I also don't see a lot of 16b SLE on the market.
Can anyone post some examples of a good "eye popping" 16b English SLE in this price range? I'd appreciate it if you could.
All the best!
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Greg, Wilkes was a London maker. Seems odd to me that a Wilkes gun would have original Birmingham proofs, assuming the proofs to which you refer are the original ones and not for the gun post-sleeving. If the original proofs are Birmingham, then I'd suggest the gun was not made by Wilkes, but rather FOR Wilkes by workers in "the trade" in Birmingham. That's not necessarily bad, but it does mean you would not be buying a REAL Wilkes. Don't know enough about Wilkes to know how often they put their name to guns made for them.
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Larry I have seen a couple John Wilkes boxlocks that were just what you mentioned, it might hold true for (some) sidelocks also.
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You'd be surprised how many Best guns were built in Brum. All the research I continue to take in says many top London makers used Birmingham trade which were simply some of the best in the World so it doesn't matter to me really...If it's a Wilkes it's a Wilkes because wherever it was made it was made to a standard that was acceptable or beyond the makers criteria. Having said that it does seem a tad expensive for a sleeved example. I'd sell my Lancaster Sidelock for that which I think is a nicer gun and has original barrels.  T
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If you are willing to take a minimum 3 thousand dollar hit out the door...go for it.
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Hi all and thanks again for the replies. Wilkes while a London maker also had a shop in Birmingham that was closed down in the early 30's. The gun could have been either proofed in Birmingham and finished in the London shop or completely made in Birmingham.
There is an article in the current DGJ on Wilkes, well done and informative.
Now you have my curiosity peeked. So what do you think is a fair price for this gun? We have Joes opinion.
Again, thanks!
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"Can anyone post some examples of a good "eye popping" 16b English SLE in this price range? I'd appreciate it if you could." That is the issue, real good 12 bores are in the 12K+ range, small bores command a premium. I know this gun, figure this as a starting price point for a good quality small bore SLE http://www.schwandtclassicarms.com/Cashmore%2016%20063.jpgit is at schwandt arms
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