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If it was Faure Le Page Trade House I have several questions in this case. First, why these signs are so huge? Second, why these signs executed so rough and crookedly? And one note, Faure Le Page is very well known and very respectfull gunmaker here and these guns are expensive.
I don't see any grammar mistakes in these signs, but I think its fake.


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I for one am somewhat confused by the Faure - LePage name and it may be that until a family tree is found/penned that we will fully understand the Faure-LePage family relationships. Some sources give that Faure LePage was a relative or descendent of Perin LePage, who was an apprentice or a craftsman with Nicolas Boutet. Perin LePage(1793-1813 in Versailles & 1816 - 1840s in Paris) had employed Nicolas Bernard as his tube maker until Nicolas Bernard left in 1821 to hang out his own shingle. Faure LePage hung out his shingle in 1716(1816??) at 8, rue de Richelieu. Leaving a big gap and fast forwarding to post WWI, it appears that Faure LePage weapons were subcontracted or sourced to a craftsman in Saint Etienne area. H.(Henri) Faure LePage appears to have been in business until just before WWI. I would assume that Maison Faure LePage is a close relative of H. Faure LePage as well as Perin LePage. I can't say about the text on the top rib but the stamp on the underside of the tube is similar to other ? Faure LePage stamps and I would venture a guess that the 3 stamps denote that a barrel maker/barrel knitter(St. Etienne Craftsman??) performed 3 different/independent task; therefore, receiving compenstation for the effort as well as liability.

There's a story or an account, about/by Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin(I could not get the Russian to post), and for the moment it seems that a character in the story was terminated with a pistol with a Lepage tube and the story or pistols are at the Pushkin Museum?

I think it is contained here at 25( XXVI.(XXV))??: http://www.onegin-xxi.by.ru/roman/onegin_I_6.htm ??

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, it was LePage pistol with octahedral barrel. How could it be in museum, since Onegin was fictional character?

There is one anecdote...
Man is standing near by Pushkin's statue and he's concluding:
- Very strange! D'Anth�s has hit the target, but they put the statue up for Pushkin!

Raimey, good info. I am looking at a ca. 1918 catalog "Manufacture d' Armes Lepage Societe Anonyme" who list a founding or history from 1790. I have seen a few Faure LePage weapons, and they do not seem to be very similar to the Belgian marked Lepages. I think the Belgian Lepage is Hubert.

Hey, I'm strugglin' just to find the reference to the Le Page barrel in the story much less tell what in the world is transpiring?? Thanks for the corrections and putting me on the straight & narrow.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Here are a few more pieces of the puzzle or more info to further confuse:

"BERNARD Nicolas Albert, settles in Paris in 1797 like gunner worked with Nicolas No�l BOUTET and (the rival of Boutet) Henri LEPAGE deceased in 1832. - 2 sons:"

from under "Max(Belgium)" here at Littlegun:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20a%20b/a%20bernard%20leopold%20gb.htm

Possibly it was Nicolas Albert Bernard that worked for Perin LePage.

I wonder if the Henri LePage was Henri Faure LePage or possibly
the father of Henri Faure LePage????


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Are you sure it was one man?

Usual sign on barrels of pegions guns:
Foure Le Page, Paris
Armurier du Tir aux Piegeons du Bois de Boulogne
8.Rue Richelieu.8.Paris

Michel Malherbe wrote...
FAURE-LEPAGE was a arquebusier and furbisher of very great reputation. It was installed in Paris 1st, with the n� 8 of the Street of Richelieu of 1865 to 1913. This trade still existed in the years 1990. With the origin Mr. Faur� had joined to Henri Lepage, arquebusier specialized in the production of weapons rather close to the work of art, of which splendid boxes of guns of duel and very exceptional shotguns intended for very fortunate customers...

So there were two men, Mr.Faure and Henri LePage

I've seen a Henri Faure LePage/H. Faure LePage stamp also: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise...lepage%20gb.htm .

One person, or firm, could be the culmination of 2 gunmaking families Faure & LePage. If so, it would help if they would hyphenate their name. At some point, it would have been 1 person, or firm, but I'm sure there are many in the fringes.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Indeed, "canon de surete" is singular. But I believe you'll find it marked on only one barrel of a double--which has two. Same for all the "canon" markings found on the guns JC shows. Darne describes its guns as "fusil juxtapose a canon fixe"--yet both barrels are "fixe", not just one. Charlin uses the same "canon de" (singular) in its ads that Darne uses when talking about barrel length--and there are two of them, but they tend to be the same length on the same gun.

On the other hand, I find Darne material that reads "canons fixes". A Verney-Carron ad I have reads "Canons d'acier diamant", but the Manufrance Ideal ad reads "Canon acier special HERCULE". In other words, you'll find it both ways, used pretty much interchangeably, when referring to a 2-barreled gun. Which goes back to my point that the fact this particular gun says "canon Faure Le Page" doesn't really tell you anything about its authenticity, or lack thereof.

OK on the French and Belgian , it's Lepage in Belgium, and Le Page in France. But, lots of guns from other countrys were sold in France. Had a Cogswell and Harrison with English, French, and Austrian proof. On rib was Cogswell and Harrison , London, and Avenue de Operas, Paris [as close as I can remember].