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MM, please allow me to say that IMO the tone of YOUR first post was not particularly collegial, while Michael IMO has bent over backwards to show how a gentleman reacts to such an obnoxious challenge. Michael is a gentelman but I am not.

When you have achieved what Michael and Steve have in the firearms world, or anything close to it, then we'll pay attention to your side. Now you may call me a sycophant all you want, from the safety of your long-range keyboard.

Like I say, when you can walk the walk instead of just talk the talk then we'll listen. You may very well have a valid opinion but your first post alienated many here and so you have some ground to make up.
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Joe said it for me also. Whitey

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Originally Posted By: MONTANA MAN
Mr. Hughes: First let me say I am a little disappointed in your less than collegial tone. Mr. Petrov whom it is his rifle that is the subject of this discussion, was a gentleman in his discussion though we may not agree. First I am thoroughly aware of Mr. Petrov's work and in fact I have owned his CG20thC book for years, A FINE WORK INDEED. I have enjoyed Precision Shooting Magazine and his, as well as other's contributions for many years, as well. However this doesn't have one thing to do with, if his rifle is the one in the picture. The fact Mr.Petrov is an authority [granted, but not without his human prejudices as he admits] on Pre-War Sporters does not make the one he purchased, the one sitting in the rack! Anymore than if you stand in a Garage it will make you a Car! I have been collecting fine firearms for over 45 years and while I am aware of Mr. Petrov's fine collection [Wonderful indeed!], I and my close friends have been buying along side he and Monte Mandarino, Terry Buffum and the other older fellows that have been around a good number of years. Accordingly I don't think I will be lectured to by a single shot gunsmith who prices a 1903 Remington Sporter for $875 that can be be purchased on the auction sites frequently for $450-$550. Because, I can only assume, it was YOURS. It certainly wasn't because it possessed any special quality or even an above average degree of workmanship. If my memory serves me, Mr. Petrov comes from the oil fields an occupation not for the meek or weak of heart. He can as we say " Carry his own water " I have read this blog for years and have refrained from joining in because of this very reason... syncophants... and rah rah boys that break their arm patting each other on the back, but can't take polite discourse that is not in agreement with the "IN CROWD". I have always been reminded of the quote
Do Not Walk Behind For I May Not Lead
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Walk By My Side So That I May Be A Friend


We would have all prefered it if you hadn't joined... it's pretty friendly around here most of the time...
Wanna meet me at the Stockman in White Sulpher Springs and discuss it, Jerry?

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I see no reason to start a war over this and until now I was just kind of amused wondering what this was all about.

I dont want anyone to think that they cannot disagree with me or call attention to the mistakes I make. I have not received the rifle in question. Ill report what I know and what I think it is when I get it.

MM I have no idea why the new identity but for the record it's very transparent.


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Steve: I wouldn't write any checks your mouth can't cash. The next time I'm in Livingston and I see you and Morris Hallowell with your neatly creased dude hats in town, I'll come on over an introduce myself. YOU haven't drank with real cowboys ever and the last time you got in a dust up the other guy was scared and you were glad of it! Call me out and you may just find out what part of Montana I do live in. I wasn't the one who started this but I will damn well finish it! I know the bunch of you aren't glad anybody joined and had the cojones to say something contra to the party or Petrov line and then not back down. I didn't join to be like YOU, I joined to tell you THE RIFLE IN THE RACK MAY NOT BE THE ONE MR. PETROV BOUGHT. I knew beforehand you would not take kindly to someone who disagreed, I have seen your pack mentality before, but it will not work here because you can't be rejected from a group you don't admire.

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Originally Posted By: Michael Petrov
Okay Class, please open your text book to page page 143 and take special note of the gun rack.

For those who came to class unprepared please see me after class, with $30.


MM, I do not see where Michael said it was the same rifle. It is of a style that I suspect there are very few of. The fact that Michael was able to acquire a sample of one of these very few is great, makes no difference to me if it is the exact same rifle. Another poster may have said that it was the same rifle, but Michael did not. We are all here to learn from others experiences through the sharing of information. That is how we all advance our knowledge and understanding of a time and of gunbuilders that are long gone. No one should get called onto the carpet for respectfully disagreeing with anyone here. Lets all take a chill pill and enjoy this site.

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Wow,has only made 4 posts and already has polarized the entire forum community! I think someone holds their own opinion much too dear.

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Mr. Montana Man

Golly dear, you sure seem to cast a large shadow, but I do find you interesting. I'm betting you are a man to ride the river with once someone gets to know you.

Originally Posted By: Montana Man
I have been collecting fine firearms for over 45 years and while I am aware of Mr. Petrov's fine collection [Wonderful indeed!], I and my close friends have been buying along side he and Monte Mandarino, Terry Buffum and the other older fellows that have been around a good number of years.


Wow, I see why you are a bit crusty. If you have spent most or all of your time in the Treasure state you have seen a fair piece. Those are some pretty high powered names in the world of early custom rifles, some of whom I have met. May I humbly ask if you have any pictures you could share of rifles you or your friends have? I grew up in an era where there were a few of these custom rifles from famous early custom builders around but this poor country boy could never afford one and really never got to look at many in the flesh when I was young. Mostly I just read about them and marveled at the pictures of them. Now that I'm older I still can't afford most of them but I sure do like to touch them and even marvel at pictures of them.

Originally Posted By: Montana Man
Accordingly I don't think I will be lectured to by a single shot gunsmith who prices a 1903 Remington Sporter for $875 that can be be purchased on the auction sites frequently for $450-$550. Because, I can only assume, it was YOURS. It certainly wasn't because it possessed any special quality or even an above average degree of workmanship.


I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say "I can only assume, it was YOURS". Actually I am sure I remember when Mr. Hughes bought that rifle. It was posted on one of the forums and there was quite a discussion about it. I'm sure when he was trying to sell it he said he didn't know who had done the work but that it was done well. In all fairness I believe he did offer it for $775.00 and whether he got that I recon only him and the buyer know for sure. Whether it was worth it is a very subjective thing. Evidently it was to at least one person. If you have been buying fine firearms for fort-five years I would guess there was at least once when you overpaid for something and at least once when you stole it or at least got a very good bargain. It seems that is the way it works for most folks anyway. Hopefully you have got more bargains than the reverse. wink

Originally Posted By: Montana Man
I have read this blog for years and have refrained from joining in because of this very reason... syncophants... and rah rah boys that break their arm patting each other on the back, but can't take polite discourse that is not in agreement with the "IN CROWD".


Jimminy, anyone who can use a word like syncophants must be a well read cowboy. I had to look it up to sure of what it means. Not sure I still see how it totally applies here but no mind. I hope that now that you have joined you will help out in discussions about fine firearms. I would surely hate to see anyone with as much experience as yourself refrain from passing on your knowledge. I myself can also live with opinions as long as they are stated as such.

Originally Posted By: Montana Man
The next time I'm in Livingston and I see you and Morris Hallowell with your neatly creased dude hats in town, I'll come on over an introduce myself. YOU haven't drank with real cowboys ever


Having never seen Morris with any headgear I am trying to get a picture of what you description would look like. I have drank with a few REAL cowboys, although not as strong a drink as they did for personal reasons. A couple of these had spent lots of time on the rodeo circuit. One in particular stands out in my mind. Last time I saw him he was 82, had broken nearly every bone in his body and his back looked like a railroad track from all the operations he had. But it was obvious he still loved life and a gent about one-fourth his age admitted in court he was a bit afraid of him. There was a real cowboy and I was proud to be a friend of his. oh, he wore a straw hat most of the time. laugh

Originally Posted By: Montana Man
I didn't join to be like YOU, I joined to tell you THE RIFLE IN THE RACK MAY NOT BE THE ONE MR. PETROV BOUGHT.


I really hope that isn't the only reason you joined. Lets forget about that particular rifle until Mr Petrov has a chance to evaluate it further when it is in his hands. Please participate in future discussions about fine firearms. I especially look forward to hearing your experiences with the early custom rifles whatever they may be. smile


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Originally Posted By: Michael Petrov
MM I have no idea why the new identity but for the record it's very transparent.

Inquiring minds want to know.....
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I was more offended by the fact that the new poster, maybe intentionally, maybe not, caused me to think that he was another person from Montana with the identical initials that he used. Apparently, I was not correct in my assumption. I'm glad I learned it early on. I still use a nom de plume on this forum, but everyone knows who I am. Bill Murphy

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