I think Sherman realizes that much of his experimentation is "just funnin'". If someone, maybe Sherman, would take on the replay of the Model 21 destruction test, somehow the stocks could be taken out of the equation by the use of a simple padded cradle. Mr. Researcher, I think we solved the riddle of the John Olin/Winchester Repeating Arms/Ithaca timetable just a few months ago. I just can't remember what we decided. It seems to me that we figured that Olin had made the Ithaca deal before the Olins were issued Winchester keys. The events were pretty close together, but it takes a while before the new owners reach a backslapping relationship with the prototype shop. The Lovely Linda's late husband built a working Vxxxxx (Yes, one of those) while in charge of the instrument shop at NIH, but not under the direction of anyone that came on board the day before.