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Sidelock
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So thats only one person on this forum thats had a failier then, as my original question asked. Any others? You talk of significant numbers .What do you mean by that? 10% 20% ?How many guns have you submitted in the last year and how many have failed?
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Sidelock
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As a PS I am like most people In the British gun trade concerned with the problem and agree whole heartedly that a solution needs to be found.
But , this is our problem and endless discusion on an American web site is not the answer. Discussion within the British Trade and investigation by the Proof Houses is what is needed . If indeed London is "blowing up barrels " then use Birmingham as they do not seem to have the same problem.
I say again this is a British problem ,washing our dirty linen in public is not going to help.
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Sidelock
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Gunman,
Unfortunately, as you well know there is no forum for discussion with the proof house.
I have always tried to answer anyone's concerns openly and truthfully with the details that I have at my disposal.
I have sent both you & Dig pm's expressing my concern at the way that this situation is being handled, or not as it may seem.
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Sidelock
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Thats my point . This is not the way to deal with a problem . We have the Gaudians in Birmingham ,the Gunmakers in London and the Gun Trade Assosiation . It is down to them/us the Uk gun trade to sort it out .Not and I mean no disrespect, to any one else.
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Sidelock
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Sidelock
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Rocketman:
Can't answer your question accurately at the moment.
Traditional lead proof loads were English No. 6s (per Appendix II, 1954 Rules)
2006 Rules do specify a Vickers Hardness index for loads for proof for "lead-free shot" (Steel)
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Sidelock
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Today the Birmingham house is supplying the proof loads to both houses. The clue at last....Birmingham. Could the London, Birmingham proof house feuds be back ?
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Sidelock
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Joe,
With all due respect the feuds were possibly an overstatement, embellished by two hundred years of posts on doublegunshop.com.
Certainly not a current day problem by any means, we all have to observe the rules.
Maybe it is time to bow out gracefully.
Rocketman:- Yes for standard proof we use No6 Lead pellets.
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Sidelock
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Bowing out now just adds fuel to the Proof House feud theory....you think it could be an inside job by a saboteur ?
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Sidelock
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Salopian and Small Bore.
How many guns have you submitted to proof in the last year?? How many have failed?? Let us have some numbers. Have you contacted the GTA about this?? Have you put it on the agenda for the GTA. AGM in May??
I have submitted many new guns, used guns and sleeved guns to both proof houses in the last year with 100% pass rate and I don't know anyone in the trade that is having a problem with their guns failing.
Salopian are you in the gun trade?? If so send me a PM and tell me who you are.
John Foster
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Sidelock
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I have also had 100% pass rates until this recent failure. However, when the word comes through from friends in the trade to be aware that guns are suddenly failing with bulges behind the chokes - and then exactly that happens to your next submitted gun, it is natural to ask the question "Why now?"
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