I load 1 1/8oz of copper plated #5s, W-W target wads, AA hulls and 28gr. Longshot for use in my L.C.Smiths. Patterns out of the modified chokes is ok out to about 30 yds. Out of the 3" Ideal grade Longrange Model (32" full/full) it patterns turkey-style out to 40-45yds. If I'm feeling "manly" I'll lug that 9+lb. beast into the woods. On a whimpy day I'll grab a featherweight and work harder at getting them in closer.