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Very good Mike. The gun goes out, then in.


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Originally Posted By: mike campbell
I've been hitting my knee with my bowling ball.....should I practice my swing or wear a knee pad?


or in this case, (c) conclude that, because you aren't hitting your knee with your two other bowling balls, that maybe the different grip on your new bowling ball needs some attention cool


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Doverham, a long time ago someone said he used clear nail polish to solve a
stickiness problem such as yours.

JC


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Mike Campbell's comment is the correct one. If you have trouble with your mount, remember that sticky pads are what shooters use when they "have to break the birds". Smooth butts are great for bird hunters who think that the first shot is the most important shot. However, smooth butts lead to second shots off the shoulder, both in the field and in competition.

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People who shoot low gun for a living or to win any sort of money or honor for their scores are much more concerned about the gun slipping off the shoulder than they are about the gun sticking on the way up. Personally, I have found that the regular use of two sided scotch tape is better than a more permanent cure for slipping. Catching the butt on the vest or shirt is a "no problem". Thanks, Mr. Campbell.

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Thanks, Bill. This subject comes up every few months and it's sobering to learn just how many "solutions" there are to a sticky pad. I try to soften the message with a little humor, but it's true. With a good gun mount a fella can shoot in baggy clothes with nary a hang-up. Not dragging on the clothing is not the goal , but the consequence, of learning a good mount.


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See Davies 'The Better Shot' for a pretty good description of what we're talking about here as far as gun mount technique.

Assume a 'ready' position, follow the bird with the muzzle while pushing out and then pulling in.

The stock butt rubs on nothing on the way to 'the pocket'.

Friction in the stock butt/shoulder pocket interface helps your cause... thus checkered and grooved buttplates.


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Not dragging on the clothing is not the goal , but the consequence, of learning a good mount.


Part of the solution is to select proper attire, both fabric and fit, for the type of shooting you do.

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I very much appreciate the advice. It left me thinking that much of what I have read about this subject must be wrong:

Brister, Shotgunning: The Art and the Science p. 84

“Many shooters have a problem with the stock catching on clothing beneath the armpit in fast-mounting situations. This can be helped by grinding off the top of the recoil pad (the heel) so that there are no sharp corners or angles to the pad. Additional insurance against this problem (which has cost many a quail, woodcock, and grouse) is to paint the sides of the recoil pad and also the rounded off area at the top with clear fingernail polish. Do not paint the portion of the pad that will rest against your shoulder; you don’t want that part slick because you want the gun to stay securely in position at the shoulder during recoil.

Churchill, Game Shooting p. 29-30

“In practice, the butt should scrape your clothing as it travels up your arm to bed in your shoulder. The slightest clearance between butt plate and shoulder is all that is necessary or desirable; and the thrust of the left arm automatically provides it.
At the completion of the mounting movement or, rather, this first portion of it, the gun is up to eye-level and the butt of the stock in touch with but not home on the shoulder. . . . Now, put your shoulder forward to the stock and at the same time contract the trigger finger so that as the gun is firm against the shoulder the trigger is pulled exactly at the limit of the movement.”

Bowlen, Wingshooting Handbook p. 34-5

“The key is to bring the shoulder forward to meet the buttstock rather than pull the gun back to the shoulder. The heel of the stock should slide up the face of the shoulder as the gun is mounted. As the gun comes into the cheek, the shoulder is rolled slightly forward in a sort of shrugging motion. This motion snugs the shoulder and stock together and minimizes recoil. . . .
You should not pull the gun back to meet the shoulder because doing this has a tendency to interrupt the natural flow of the shot. . . . If the gun is pulled back to the shoulder, this natural weight shift [forward towards the target] is interrupted. As the gun is pulled back, there is an inclination to shift the weight back. Typically, the weight will be shifted to the back foot. As your weight falls back, the muzzles will rise and in many instances cause you to miss over the bird. Rolling your shoulder into the gun accentuates the natural weight shift. . . . Pulling the gun back to the shoulder tends to shift your weight back onto your heel and interrupt your swing.”

Yardley, http://www.positiveshooting.com/MountandSwing.html

“Advice on the starting position for muzzles and butt varies. Let us try to keep it simple. I would consider it a mistake to hold the muzzles above the line of any crossing clay bird. The British instructor Percy Stanbury, advised keeping the muzzles well up - touching the line of sight - and butt fairly low. Robert Churchill, advocated an unusual starting position with the butt tucked in under the armpit and the muzzles low - parallel to the line of sight. This has also been adopted by the Holland and Holland Shooting School. In the case of the first mentioned style, the gun should pivot about the axis of the muzzles as the mount progresses. It should also be pushed towards the target with the shoulder going forward to meet it as the mount is completed. In the case of the Churchill mount there is an exaggerated pushing out of the gun as the mount commences and a less obvious movement of the shoulder to the gun at the end (although Churchill would have argued the point).”


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