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shawn: it is nice to hear from you. it sounds like you know what you are doing? but, you too seem to have a mind set that will not accept the fact that old ed does NOT use a torch in his receiver coloring process... as for green colors, they are typical of some ithaca and fox guns produced during the 20's and 30's. old ed has duplicated those colors as well...how many sxs shotgun receivers have you rehardening via the high heat, bone charcoal method? can you refer us to any pictures of examples of your work? have you ever damaged a receiver beyond repair? have you ever had a receiver crack after firing? what is your guarantee, if your customer is not satisfied with your work?

Ed,
I case harden as a hobby and do only work for myself. There are those who do it professional and know much more than I. I have case hardened over15 actions. Fortunately I have never had any problems with warpage or cracking. From my research I have learned that quenching at too high a temperature or not properly anealing the action can lead to warpage. I did have a Parker action hardened by classic guns that required the barrels to be refitted. I admit that rehardening is not without risk. I will post photos of my work as soon as I can get help from my brother posting photos.

What temperature does your gunsmith use? What chemicals does he use? I have know people who could get colors using heat and cold blue? I have never tried this. I believe that your gunsmith is using a torch because of the color and pattern of the color. The bullseye look is only obtained by using a torch. These type of colors are temper colors and occur between 450-600F. If he used a kiln it would heat the parts evenly and there would not be much variation in color. The different colors developed due to differences in temperature. Purple at around 530F, blues at 560F, etc. Your gunsmith may use a kiln to pre-heat the parts to about 400F and the get the different colors by locally increasing the temperature in different area of the action to produce temper colors.

Ed I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I don't care what you have done to the guns you sell as long as you accurately describe them. I don't even believe that this process has caused any serious damage other than softening the action. That is if he did the coloring with the action completely disassembled.

shawn: too bad you do not perform commercial work. there is certainly a need for good craftsmen these days and in the future.

sorry, i know very little of the details of how old ed does his coloring or any other of his work for that matter.

it is a pleasure corresponding with a gentleman.

i recently did a google search for delgrego parker and turnbull parker. when i clicked on images, i found some very interesting pictures. neither shop seems to produce guns with true parker case colors. i did notice that all of the pictures i found were taken in dark indoor lighting. some even seem to be taken under a black light, which gave everything a purplish tone. i take all of my pictures outside in natural sun light. maybe i should start taking pictures indoors so as to soften the colors? or, maybe try that black light? or maybe, just keep on doin what i'm doin, so long as it works.....

What you're doing only "works" for people that don't know jack ....

Ed G knows "very little of the details" of Ed L's methods? Wondrous strange! Don Kass claimed to have actually met Landers so maybe "Good" doesn't exist or only as a shill alias for Landers. Anybody know? And this pot and kettle game stinks like shite as well. All us "gentlemen are going to be required to hold our noses while holding our water.

jack

I wanted to learn more about Landed's coloring methods so I did an internet search for him. It looks like he has been a gunsmith since 1946 and has trained several other gunsmith. One of them is Paul Johnston. Paul has a website (johnstonsmallarms.com) where he describes how Lander's trained him how to be a gunsmith. Paul also describes his case color process. He states that he uses an "acetylene" torch to color metal. He does not include any "chemical process". It seems clear to me that based on Paul's description that Lander's does use a torch to temper color actions. This is supported by the appearance of the colors on his guns.

shawn: very interesting. what is web site? ed

Thanks for finally admitting that you and Ed Landers are one and the same person.
JR