roy: thanks for recommending the 410 book. but, i just have no interest in finding out more about the 410 than i already know. my first shotgun was a 410. my second was a 16 gauge. that was enough 410 for me and i have no further interest in it. in my experience it is not enough gun to quickly and cleanly kill much of anything considered to be edible game.

keep it simple and keep it safe...