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tudurgs #238879 08/13/11 09:52 PM
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Anyone want to guess what process is used on the RBL and Krieghoff case colored guns?


According to the advertising the RBL guns were "traditional" bone and charcoal CC. Was it something else?

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You guys are a lot sharper than me. I can ID cyanide case on an H&R or a S311 but I have a bit of trouble with guns that don't present the parallel waves of color. What's your clue on the SW that obviously doesn't have Ed-czema but doesn't immediately suggest cyanide to me either.

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To my eye it's that everything is some shade of blue. Very little green, and "straw" mixed in to it. On the linked Parker trojan you can see some of the striation or parallel waves. Maybe something we all see differently as most are at least partially color blind.

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Jack:

On the SW, the patchy browns and the lack of color edge breaks are the clue along with how the colors lay and with constant color around all screw holes etc.......besides of course knowing factually that Fox used a "good" cyanide process.......

On examples WITH lot's of remaining color or new restorations:

Bone/Charcoal CCH has color breaks around the sharp edges and some areas are usually void of color, especially around screw holes, holes for thru pins, axles etc............................

BUT NOT SO with cyanide CCH where most areas are NOT void of some type of color, "even around screw holes and holes for axles etc".........

The H & R and S311 are very low grade processes of cyanide and look more like close waves than blotches.......

So in summary....IF THE COLOR RUNS UP TO AND AROUND ALL THE SCREW AND AXLE HOLES AND CORNERS WITHOUT COLOR VOIDS, THEN IT IS CYANIDE CCH.......IF THERE ARE COLOR VOIDS AROUND THE SCREW HOLES, SHARP EDGES, PIVOT PINS ETC., THEN IT IS BONE/CHARCOAL CCH.....



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Restored Bone Charcoal CCH, note the color breaks around the sharp edges and holes created by temperature differences (retained heat) during the quench:

Factory Fox Cyanide CCH, note the full color patterns without breaks, even on the sides and corners and around all the holes:


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my understanding re parker case colors is that all meridan made guns were colored and case hardened via the high heat, bone charcoal process. and that all remington made guns were colored and case hardened via a chemical process using cyanide. any parker experts care to comment?


keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Damn fine explanation, PA24. Yes, I can see that the edges do not take the gaseous image of the carbon source. Thanks.

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All Fox and Sterlingworth guns were cyanide hardened except for the first two years? Would anyone care to comment about that post? Which two years were they? I also notice that no one commented on the gunbroker 1910 Parker Ed mentioned with high percentage of case color. I couldn't see that high percentage on my screen.

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Originally Posted By: Stallones
These all 3 look like Cyanide processes to me. Am I wrong??


You are right Stallones, all three Parkers are Cyanide CCH restorations, as per original factory Parker Cyanide CCH.......nice ones as well...........

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Originally Posted By: rabbit
Damn fine explanation, PA24. Yes, I can see that the edges do not take the gaseous image of the carbon source. Thanks.

jack


You're more than welcome Jack...............thank you...!......

Cheers,


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if you put pins in the holes you wont get the halos also if you back up the locks and action with steel blocks the edges wont cool as fast and have the grey.but it wont have the same look as cyanide.and i don't agree with edgood the sky is falling

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