old ed lander said that doug turnbull is a craftsmen who does excellent work and his case colors speak for them selves.ol ed says if you have pictures of defective bone hardening you should post them or send them to someone to post.you said you have been at this gun stuff for 65 years and ol ed has been at it for 65 years hmmmmmm.you said you have never case hardened any guns is this correct?then you have zero credibility on either side of the discussion.